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TelfordUS Posted: Sun, Nov 15 2009 5:52 PM

A level 25 Socialist appears while you are walking through the fields!

"Collectivism is the only humane organization of action. Prove me wrong!"

What do you do?

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I'd use splash

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Duties: Giving the people their bread and circuses, extracting payment by force, validating legitimacy, etc.

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Who owns the fields?

If someone does own the fields: Do I have a permit from the owner to hunt any socialist type Pokemon I find in said fields? If so, then I'll use solar beam with my Oddish. If not, flee.

If someone doesn't own the fields: Use solar beam with my Oddish.

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TelfordUS:
Collectivism is the only humane organization of action. Prove me wrong!

Is he a group? A nice performative contradiction right there. He is committing action by making a statement.

'Men do not change, they unmask themselves' - Germaine de Stael

 

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Esuric replied on Sun, Nov 15 2009 6:15 PM

TelfordUS:

A level 25 Socialist appears while you are walking through the fields!

"Collectivism is the only humane organization of action. Prove me wrong!"

What do you do?

It's not your job to prove him wrong; he must prove that he's right. Ask him to define his terminology.

"If we wish to preserve a free society, it is essential that we recognize that the desirability of a particular object is not sufficient justification for the use of coercion."

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Le Master replied on Sun, Nov 15 2009 6:15 PM

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TelfordUS replied on Sun, Nov 15 2009 6:17 PM

Esuric:

It's not your job to prove him wrong; he must prove that he's right. Ask him to define his terminology.

Let me rephrase.

What WOULD you do?

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I'd have him defend his statement and not attempt to shift the burden of proof to you.

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TelfordUS replied on Sun, Nov 15 2009 6:23 PM

Knight_of_BAAWA:

I'd have him defend his statement and not attempt to shift the burden of proof to you.

The Socialist uses Rage! Then shouts,

"Capitalism creates oppression and the distinction of social classes! Equality decreases a reason for crime and therefore a sense of eternal security!"

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abskebabs replied on Sun, Nov 15 2009 6:27 PM

Le Master:

That is so cool! Could you make a Rothbard or Hayek one?

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TelfordUS:
The Socialist uses Rage! Then shouts,

"Capitalism creates oppression and the distinction of social classes! Equality decreases a reason for crime and therefore a sense of eternal security!"

Then he has to defend not only his first sentence, but clear up his begged question in the second sentence that equality is desirable.

 

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Esuric replied on Sun, Nov 15 2009 6:32 PM

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"Capitalism creates oppression and the distinction of social classes! Equality decreases a reason for crime and therefore a sense of eternal security!"

Tell him that the interests of the so-called 'capitalists' and wage-earners are one and the same. Entrepreneurs see potential opportunities and freely engage in risky investments by purchasing producer goods and arranging them in a specific order so that they can produce goods desired by 'society.' This also means that they must employ workers who use the capital in the production process. The more sophisticated and plentiful the capital, the higher the productivity of the workers, and therefore the higher the labor demand and wages will be. This is why American's get paid much more than their Chinese and Indian counter-parts (we have more entrepreneurs, and therefore, more/better capital). The workers, if they save, can choose to engage in risk and become entrepreneurs, allowing them to own capital and collect interest as an income instead of wages. Before 'capitalism' only those who already owned capital and land, either by virtue of their title, or government decree, were able to earn an income. The government, though, in order to obtain power, pins members of society against each other; essentially, they seek to divide and conquer us. Thus, there is no social tension between the 'forces of production' and the 'relations of production', just the government versus the people.

There is nothing 'equal' for 'fair' about taking one's income and giving it to another.

"If we wish to preserve a free society, it is essential that we recognize that the desirability of a particular object is not sufficient justification for the use of coercion."

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TelfordUS:
Capitalism creates oppression

Implications of the LTV. Easily refuted by refuting the LTV.

TelfordUS:
the distinction of social classes

So does being an idiot.

TelfordUS:
Equality decreases a reason for crime and therefore a sense of eternal security!"

Right because all criminals commit crime out of necessity.

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Sieben replied on Sun, Nov 15 2009 7:11 PM

swoot!

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TelfordUS:

A level 25 Socialist appears while you are walking through the fields!

"Collectivism is the only humane organization of action. Prove me wrong!"

What do you do?

Jigglypuff casts rhetorical hammer! Socialist suffers 1,000,000 mindless damage!

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Sieben replied on Sun, Nov 15 2009 7:36 PM

okay okay I have to do homework now.

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filc replied on Sun, Nov 15 2009 11:55 PM

Lol, these are really great.

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Nitroadict replied on Mon, Nov 16 2009 12:01 AM

Snowflake:

okay okay I have to do homework now.

Quite honestly, this is what I imagined when I proposed the card game based on political figures, but I never got around to it due to other important things, but also thinking it was too derivative off of the Pokemon Card Game. 

If I have time this week, I might visit that URL and try to come up with some myself.

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filc replied on Mon, Nov 16 2009 12:26 AM

Couldn't resist an addition.

I suppose it would help if I knew the first thing about pokemon Stick out tongue

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Le Master replied on Mon, Nov 16 2009 12:33 AM

filc:
I suppose it would help if I knew the first thing about pokemon Stick out tongue

I'm with ya. Hence my deplorable card up there. Embarrassed

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Fephisto replied on Tue, Nov 17 2009 6:10 AM

TelfordUS:

A level 25 Socialist appears while you are walking through the fields!

"Collectivism is the only humane organization of action. Prove me wrong!"

What do you do?

*sigh*

 

Go here:  http://mises.org/books/socialism/contents.aspx

 

Look up the relevant section (in this case it's http://mises.org/books/socialism/part4_ch27.aspx)

 

Steal counterarguments.

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Conza88 replied on Fri, Feb 26 2010 4:46 AM

Smile

Ron Paul is for self-government when compared to the Constitution. He's an anarcho-capitalist. Proof.
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Nielsio replied on Fri, Feb 26 2010 5:19 AM

TelfordUS:

A level 25 Socialist appears while you are walking through the fields!

"Collectivism is the only humane organization of action. Prove me wrong!"

What do you do?

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Neodoxy replied on Thu, Dec 13 2012 11:44 PM

This thread was awesome.

It would have been more awesome if there had been fewer people trying to ruin its awesomeness

At last those coming came and they never looked back With blinding stars in their eyes but all they saw was black...
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 A level 25 Socialist? Catch it with a master ball. I didn't even know they can get that high of a level.

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Wheylous replied on Fri, Dec 14 2012 10:39 AM

Actually, all socialists are level 25. Can't be having any socialists of higher status!

Equality decreases a reason for crime and therefore a sense of eternal security!

Tell that to Zimbabweans. They're pretty equal! Just all dirt poor.

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Neodoxy replied on Fri, Dec 14 2012 11:23 AM

I think that you guys are overstating the matter. Karl Marx is at least equal to a level 100 magikarp

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Torsten replied on Mon, Dec 17 2012 7:27 AM

"Collectivism is the only humane organization of action. Prove me wrong!"

That would be another wordist debate, since "Collectivism" can have all kinds fo meaning, except ideologically dogmatic individualist perhaps, but even there you can twist. 

Anyway, let's call it socialism. I'd then ask whether this socialism is voluntary or coerced. 

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