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Tea Party 48% Obama 44%, according to Rasmussen Poll

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Bogart replied on Mon, Apr 5 2010 2:41 PM

Obama doesn't care.  He is smart enough to know that the Tea Parties have no clout and can only hurt the awful Republicans.  The Tea Party folks can not do anything to stop the Obama Fascist train as it is simply just an extension of the Bush Fascist train.

Bush: Two wars, bailouts, increased security state, prescription drugs (The R folks figure you can't remember this, I can.)

Obama: Two wars continued, bailouts increased, security state increased, prescription drugs increased to Universal Insurance (UGH), and now he proposes what Bush was in favor of which is Cap and Trade (Cap and Steal).

 

Where are the differences?

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While on the subject

 

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Obama may not care but you can bet incumbent congressmen in highly disputed districts do.

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I just fixed my ytmnd.  People with lower resolutions would have a hard time seeing the image.  Now virtually anyone should be able to see what's important.

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Seriously? Stuff like this gets one nowhere.

Even if the Tea Party hadn't been hijacked by conservatives, I don't think that rubbing people's faces in it is the best way to garner support.

Life and reality are neither logical nor illogical; they are simply given. But logic is the only tool available to man for the comprehension of both.Ludwig von Mises

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bloomj31 replied on Mon, Apr 5 2010 10:49 PM

Justin Spahr-Summers:

Seriously? Stuff like this gets one nowhere.

Even if the Tea Party hadn't been hijacked by conservatives, I don't think that rubbing people's faces in it is the best way to garner support.

Support for what?

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bloomj31:

Justin Spahr-Summers:

Seriously? Stuff like this gets one nowhere.

Even if the Tea Party hadn't been hijacked by conservatives, I don't think that rubbing people's faces in it is the best way to garner support.

Support for what?

Ideas, liberty, minarchism and/or anarcho-capitalism. Taking childish pot-shots only hurts the cause.

Life and reality are neither logical nor illogical; they are simply given. But logic is the only tool available to man for the comprehension of both.Ludwig von Mises

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bloomj31 replied on Mon, Apr 5 2010 11:05 PM

Justin Spahr-Summers:

Ideas, liberty, minarchism and/or anarcho-capitalism. Taking childish pot-shots only hurts the cause.

I mean....I guess so.  But even if they don't like the way the polls are presented to them I'll bet you they do care about what the polls say.  Their power rests on popular consent, nothing else.

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bloomj31:

Justin Spahr-Summers:

Ideas, liberty, minarchism and/or anarcho-capitalism. Taking childish pot-shots only hurts the cause.

I mean....I guess so.  But even if they don't like the way the polls are presented to them I'll bet you they do care about what the polls say.  Their power rests on popular consent, nothing else.

It's not about trying to educate the people who are already thoroughly entrenched in their ideas. People on the sidelines aren't going to get a very good impression of "libertarianism" if all they see are a bunch of Tea Party jackasses and "you got pwned" YTMNDs.

Life and reality are neither logical nor illogical; they are simply given. But logic is the only tool available to man for the comprehension of both.Ludwig von Mises

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My Buddy replied on Mon, Apr 5 2010 11:11 PM

Turning a person from Socialism to Minarchism/Anarcho-Capitalism takes more then a single YTMND, awesome GIF, or paragraph. Even a full blown article usually isn't sufficient.

 

More likely then not, this is around entirely for the sake of snickers on our behalf rather then for persuasive value.

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bloomj31 replied on Mon, Apr 5 2010 11:12 PM

My Buddy:

More likely then not, this is around entirely for the sake of snickers on our behalf rather then for persuasive value.

This is pretty much what I was thinking.

Besides, I don't really think the purpose of polls is to educate and change minds.  It's to show people where the votes are.  

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Justin Spahr-Summers:
bloomj31:

Justin Spahr-Summers:

Seriously? Stuff like this gets one nowhere.

Even if the Tea Party hadn't been hijacked by conservatives, I don't think that rubbing people's faces in it is the best way to garner support.

Support for what?

Ideas, liberty, minarchism and/or anarcho-capitalism. Taking childish pot-shots only hurts the cause.

What about rallying the troops?

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I understand, it took me a while, like about a couple of years.  Although for quite long before that, I was a hardcore civil libertarian, sexual libertarian, drug libertarian, abortion libertarian and religion libertarian.  I guess I would have been described as leftist when it came to the economy or environmental issues.

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The Tea Party Movement makes in interesting contrast with the 1960's Counterculture Revolution.  While I agree that a large contingent of Republican partisans have joined on, I still believe that at the core are individuals who are really reading history and economics and personally connecting with the classically liberal ideas of the 18th and 19th centuries in a way no generation has since before WW2.

In contrast to the 60's, when the youth rejected the lessons of history because they felt those lessons were a limitation, the youth of the Tea Party understands the perils of ignoring history and of discarding the utilitarian safeguards of freedom that our intellectual forebears worked so hard to establish.  The fact that they can draw off of all this great thought of the past makes it likely that the Tea Party movement can assume a more focused and lasting role in directing future policy than the New Left of the 60's (who relied more on intuition and doing what felt good than on searching for truth and logic), even if they may be smaller in number today.

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RogueMerc replied on Tue, Apr 6 2010 11:16 AM

Had it not been for the desperate smear hit job by establishment leftists, I strongly believe that the tea party would have had more Counter Culturalists.

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