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Hitler and Democratic Elections

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BrianAnderson posted on Fri, Dec 3 2010 4:50 PM

I understand that Hitler wasn't democratically elected at first because we has simply appointed Chancellor by the current President, but was he ever elected democratically after that for multiple terms? Every website says something different, so I figured I'd ask her. If not, what other well-known 'evil' leaders have been democratically elected? I'm doing a presentation, and I'd like to put have a visual of a terrible ruler elected in a democracy.

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The Nazi Party was elected to the largest plurality of seats in the Reichstag in the 1932 election. They did not have an absolute majority, but since the other parties were all ideologically opposed to each other and could not possibly form a coalition government, the President of Germany had no choice but to name Hitler the chancellor of the government.

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Player replied on Thu, Dec 9 2010 10:35 PM

Therefore, the Holocaust is used to hide the terrible revenge, hate and genocidal policies that resulted in the death of millions of german civilians.

It's the same algorithm always;

- Saddam was evil, had WMD and was going to use them! We had to attack them first and if something happened during the occupation.. it's his fault!

Of course no WMD has been discovered.

- Hitler was gassing Jews and had to be stopped! He wasn't. In fact, he and Himmler(SS) protected them during KristalNacht running to protect them from the civilians hate.

Of course, no gassed jew has ever been discovered.

Only after the war broke out were they detained in mase, for security concerns (as the americans did to the Japanese). Even more, the American detention was worse, without any historical reason or rational security concern and against the military who were against it. In Germany the Army argued for it for security concerns, there was a clear recent historical argument for it, the recent Bavarian communist coup d'etat lead by jews, others in Eastern Europe and the smoking gun of the Bolsheviks which absolutely everybody knows 90% of the commissars and secret police were not just jews, but even foreign jews, brought it only for the revolution. There was a evident and justified fear in Europe, in all classes, high, middle and lower classes that the same genocide and brutality could happen in central Europe too, it's a shame and unjust that innocent jews had to leave their homes for security detention camps while the war was on out of fear of the population they would organized a coup just as they had done in the East.

Some could argue they were even lucky because thanks to their eviction of their homes in their cities they were saved of the Allied fire-bombing that murdered a million civilians. Concentration camps in fact were safer and those who survived the war calamity like the food and medicine crisis were given priority care by the Allied unlike simple german civilians who died like files, even more, they got more rights than the german civilians and were given houses kicking german civilians out to homelessness and taking their homes. They benefit, they were police escorted to safety zones, camps where they were given food and protected of infections as best as possible, visited by RedCross and several times were offered in barter negotiations (which the Allied refused, showing how much they cared about them). If they died, is because the whole country was dying, everybody, every town, no infrastructure, no medicines, the water poisoned. Unlike the rest, they were not fire-bombed and when the war ended they were given priority treatment, housing, subsidies, passport to a new country while still maintaining eternal subsidies, subsidies only they earned, gypsies didn't, political prisoners didn't, only jews had right to eternal subsidies. Even russian emigrants of the russian civil war were betrayed and given to Stalin, murdered as soon they crossed the bordered. A 15 year old german child who lost his family and his home during the bombing had no help at all and had to survive on his own all the war, occupation and postwar. A jew was immediately given the best homes and a pension for all his life, at the back of that german child. And if that german child tried to protest, he would be jailed, even today.

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newson replied on Thu, Dec 9 2010 10:35 PM

“…what began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus-mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy.”

Newsday, Long Island/New York, 23rd February 1983, p. II/3.

 

so an industrialized, mass-murder machine was run by telepathic coordination.  and that from one of the most lauded exterminationists, raul hilberg. no wonder some have trouble believing the orthodox narrative. perhaps someone should have pointed out to him mises' economic calculation in the socialist commonwealth, and spared him embarrassment.

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newson replied on Thu, Dec 9 2010 11:14 PM

over the life of the nazi regime,  the power structure within the camps changed dramatically.  initially, criminal internees were at the top of the pecking order. then as communists were rounded up, they became  the dominant group.  well-organized, they could determine life-and-death of any internee by murder, or by control over allocation of rations or work-duties. propaganda about the camps not only came from the outside, but also from communists within the camps. rassinier details as much in le mensonge d'ulysse.

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Answered (Not Verified) newson replied on Fri, Dec 10 2010 12:04 AM

hoss' testimony is as believable as the spontaneous confessions that emerged from the "guilty" in the moscow show trials.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNcmgt8nA_Y&feature=related

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newson replied on Fri, Dec 10 2010 12:20 AM

ilya ehrenburg, soviet jewish propagandist urged the red army to rape and pillage as they advanced to berlin:

"Kill, Kill! There are no innocent Germans, among the living, or among those yet to be born!
Carry out Comrade Stalin's instructions to crush the fascist beast in his lair Shatter the pride [78] of the
Germanic women with violence. Take them as lawful spoils. Kill, kill, valiant soldiers of the Red Army,
in your irresistible onslaught. "

(Cited by Admiral Doenitz in 10 Years and 20 Days, pp. 343-344)

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newson replied on Mon, Dec 27 2010 6:38 PM

bernard clarke, jewish head of the interrogation, subsequently admitted to having used torture on hoess to extract a "coherent" confession (rupert butler, legions of death. 1983). irrespective of guilt or innocence, confessions made under torture completely degrade the concept of justice. can anyone seriously call themselves a friend of liberty and not be disgusted by torture, and whatever "history" is born of it?

http://is.gd/jBaAc

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Why do you keep posting shit to support Nazi Germany? You're going to say they were a good government because they were better than the Soviets? What's the point of these supposed facts?

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newson:
bernard clarke, jewish head of the interrogation

 

newson, what is your purpose in calling Clarke the jewish head of interrogation?

"the obligation to justice is founded entirely on the interests of society, which require mutual abstinence from property" -David Hume
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newson replied on Tue, Dec 28 2010 2:44 AM

to d.j.s.:

it's pertinent because jews, not unsurprisingly or irrationally, had a particularly personal axe to grind with nazis, over and above being on the side of the victorious.

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newson replied on Tue, Dec 28 2010 3:04 AM

to b.a.:

you seem unable to comprehend that it's possible to condemn both nazism and communism, as i have. 

i do think, however, that certain aspects of germany's wwii behaviour have been deliberately exaggerated to distract from the appalling crimes of the soviets, and the sins of the allies, too,

as a contemporary example, saddam hussein was a murderous thug, guilty of much against his own people, but killing babies in incubators he didn't do.  maybe if that distortion had been unmasked in a timely fashion, countless thousands of civilians would still be alive, public opinion in america not being supportive enough of intervention following the iraq invasion of kuwait.

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Let's put it in perspective.  16% of the population of Canada voted for the Conservative Party in 2008.

Player, are you living in Germany?  I don't know how you are not in jail at this moment.

Of course, no gassed jew has ever been discovered.

I'm sure that I've already said enough in the past that I would be arrested if I set foot in one of several states in Europe.   I'm not familiar with the biochemistry of gassing.  I wonder how well the ZyklonB would stick in the tissues of the dead, that the graves of the alleged could be uncovered and examined.  ...Because this thread is long hijacked anyway.

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Player replied on Tue, Dec 28 2010 11:38 AM

"Player, are you living in Germany?  I don't know how you are not in jail at this moment."

What Germany? There is no Germany, there is a partitioned country occupied by foreign troops, with a full Inquisition/Police state with more than 10.000 Political trials per year.

Today German state and court of law are illegal under international law, illegal under German Law and as puppet occupation regime as Iraq or Afghanistan.

All you Americans are wrong when you think Police State is something new, you have been doing that to Germany and Europe for decades.

I will give you just one proof, only one, that shows how unjust all of you are.

Great Britain. That's it, Great Britain, the Big Britain, the mighty Britain, it's a country, with good reputation and a name you can speak freely without being looked upon with suspicion, you say Great Britain and nothing happens.

Now, the same with Germany, you say Gross Deutschland, a Germany including Austrian and surrounding East Europe and you are immediately a nazi, imperialist, invader, warmonger. Think about that.

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What Germany? There is no Germany, there is a partitioned country occupied by foreign troops, with a full Inquisition/Police state with more than 10.000 Political trials per year.

Do I sense a longing for a Gross Deutschland?

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@ player

i dont understand your claim... are you assuming when everyone thinks of Great Britain, they think of how glorious it is and when people think of Germany, they automatically think of nazis?

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Great Britain is a geographical term, referring to the largest of the British isles...

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