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Anti-capitalist Michael Moore lashes out at Peter Schiff

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Freedom4Me73986 Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011 8:59 PM

Too funny for words. Didn't this guy's career end in 2007?

 

 

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Josh replied on Sat, Oct 29 2011 9:36 PM

So how long has this occupation lasted? A month? So it's been a month and their best spokesman has still not thought of a 'system' to replace capitalism. 

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DanielMuff replied on Sat, Oct 29 2011 10:19 PM

Half the people in that video look like they work at Starbucks. Ok, that was a cheap shot.

Btw, Shittreport posts videos that contradict other videos that he uses agianst Schiff.

To paraphrase Marc Faber: We're all doomed, but that doesn't mean that we can't make money in the process.
Rabbi Lapin: "Let's make bricks!"
Stephan Kinsella: "Say you and I both want to make a German chocolate cake."

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DanielMuff replied on Sat, Oct 29 2011 10:21 PM

So, is 2011 capitalism different than the capitalism that Marx attacked?

To paraphrase Marc Faber: We're all doomed, but that doesn't mean that we can't make money in the process.
Rabbi Lapin: "Let's make bricks!"
Stephan Kinsella: "Say you and I both want to make a German chocolate cake."

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Nah, same capitalism, only the banks tipped the balance in their favor :P

 

But more importantly... where is this "lashing out?" smiley

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Neodoxy replied on Sun, Oct 30 2011 2:28 AM

It wasn't actually as derp as I thought it would be. 

1. Absolutely ignorant of the cause of the current crisis 

2. Absolutely ignorant of what his "democratic" system would cause

3. Contradicting in that he believes that democracy will bring about good results and yet they're too stupid to find someone who won't be bought out by wallstreet

4. Ignorant of the nature of capitalism itself

5. Entirely deluding himself as to the extent of the influence that the occupy movement is likely to have

He didn't really "lash out" at Schiff though, he could have been a lot more insulting and stupid about it. 

In a lot of ways Moore is really just the ideology of most Americans put into actual action.

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You have to love the Black Panthers with their Black Power gestures standing right behind the rich, fat, white, 1%er who wants to pretend he's anything but.

I've heard it before, but when you really think about it, Moore really does exhibit clinical signs of self hatred.

 

 

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Kakugo replied on Sun, Oct 30 2011 5:33 AM

Do someone even pay attention to Michael Moore anymore? laugh

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In a related note:

Michael Moore won't admit he is part of 'the 1 percent'

Either Michael Moore movies aren’t that profitable for him, or he’s having a real identity crisis.

During a live made-for-cable-television town hall event on CNN’s “Piers Morgan Tonight” Tuesday, Moore discussed the plight of those hurt by the current economy. When asked by host Piers Morgan to admit that he was a part of the so-called “1 percent,” the enormously successful liberal filmmaker and author flatly denied it. The IRS reports that the top 1 percent of income-earners make a minimum of $343,927 in annual adjusted gross income....

MOORE: Isn’t that amazing? Really, I’m here talking against my own interests.
MORGAN: What’s the matter with you?
MOORE: What’s wrong with me?
MORGAN:  You crazy man. He makes a good point. You’re in the 1 percent?
MOORE:  I’m not in the 1 percent.
MORGAN: Probably 0.2 percent?
MOORE: No.
MORGAN: You’re one of the most successful filmmakers in the country.
MOORE: No, I’m not. For a documentary filmmaker, I’m doing well.
MORGAN: You’re splitting hairs.
MOORE: There’s a big difference between a documentary and “Avatar.”
MORGAN: There is.
MOORE: I’m not that. Let me just say –
MORGAN: There are people watching that say “Michael Moore, rich guy.”

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Morgan: I need you to admit the bleeding obvious.  I need you to sit here and say 'I'm in the 1%', because it's important--
Moore: Well, I can't, because I'm not.
Morgan: You are though.
Moore: No, I'm not!  I'm not!
Morgan: You're not in the 1 percent?!
Moore: Of course I'm not!  How could I be in the 1 percent?!

(view the video at the link)

 

 

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Peter Schiff responds:

 

 

 

 

 

And of course, earlier, he showed how Moore isn't really against capitalism...

 

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Wheylous replied on Sun, Oct 30 2011 8:37 AM

We've won the battle: "They can have all the money they want"

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one Moore...

 

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Schiff: "We know [Michael Moore] spends a lot of money on food."

Winning.

To paraphrase Marc Faber: We're all doomed, but that doesn't mean that we can't make money in the process.
Rabbi Lapin: "Let's make bricks!"
Stephan Kinsella: "Say you and I both want to make a German chocolate cake."

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Lewis S. replied on Sun, Oct 30 2011 2:44 PM

Listening to Moore and Schiff's analysis, and taking into account discussions I've had with my lefty friends, it's pretty clear to me that the equivocation on the word "capitalism" is at the forefront of the problem/debate. I'm convinced that Moore knows exactly what the word means and understands the difference between it and corporatism. So, there are two options that explain his behavior: 1) He is, as Schiff suggests, a good capitalist and is providing a product to a market, or 2) He is really an out-and-out socialist Fabian type and understands that maintaining this confusion is absolutely necessary to advancing his cause. Probably both are true.

My friends eat up every word that a Michael Moore offers on capitalism. And while I can get them to see the distinctions that are obvious to us, they're  conditioned to react negatively to the word "capitalism" and in the end you make no progress with them. Moore knows this; he's shrewd enough to see it and take full advantage of it. Through this obfuscation, he can get the average dupe out there to buy into the growing statism he wants to bring about.
You can also see it in the video where the OWS guy (dressed as Marx) rails against what is essentially corporatism while calling it free markets, only to admit privately after his speech that he fully understands the difference, but uses the term "free markets" because everyone in the audience thinks "free markets" and corporatism are essentially the same thing. This is what we're up against; a large number of people so misinformed that they don't know what capitalism is, and a small number of influential, manipulative socialists who know this. The OWS crowd fit the definition of "useful idiots" perfectly.


We really run into problems with the word "capitalism" because the misunderstanding is perpetuated by the media, schools, and especially people like Moore. History provides plenty of examples of stolen labels: liberal, federalist, Whig, etc...

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Wheylous replied on Sun, Oct 30 2011 3:00 PM

Haha, add "libertarian" to that list, but essentially you hit the nail on the head.

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Lewis S.:
You can also see it in the video where the OWS guy (dressed as Marx) rails against what is essentially corporatism while calling it free markets, only to admit privately after his speech that he fully understands the difference, but uses the term "free markets" because everyone in the audience thinks "free markets" and corporatism are essentially the same thing.

Link?

 

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He does kind of admit that capitalism is what built this country.

 

But, as for everything else, not so much.  He is a multi millionaire.  Give it up Mikey you're a shill for the Establishment.

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Lewis S. replied on Sun, Oct 30 2011 5:43 PM

Link?

I'm looking but can't find it. I thought someone on this board had linked to it. It was a video showing the speech, and then whoever took it added some textual commentary where he recounts the conversation he had with the OWS protester.

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Listening to Moore and Schiff's analysis, and taking into account discussions I've had with my lefty friends, it's pretty clear to me that the equivocation on the word "capitalism" is at the forefront of the problem/debate. I'm convinced that Moore knows exactly what the word means and understands the difference between it and corporatism. So, there are two options that explain his behavior: 1) He is, as Schiff suggests, a good capitalist and is providing a product to a market, or 2) He is really an out-and-out socialist Fabian type and understands that maintaining this confusion is absolutely necessary to advancing his cause. Probably both are true

 

3.  They're the same thing.  All corporatism is capitalism, but not all capitalism is coroporatism... kind-of thing. yes

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Giant_Joe replied on Mon, Oct 31 2011 10:48 PM

1) He is, as Schiff suggests, a good capitalist and is providing a product to a market

Hah! A good capitalist but a bad man. Producing "documentaries" for consumption. Comforting lies.

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Raian replied on Tue, Nov 1 2011 2:29 AM

Moore today admitted he was in the 1% and gave us all a few good laughs.

4. What remained went into a simple, low-interest savings account. I made the decision that I would never buy a share of stock (I didn't understand the casino known as the New York Stock Exchange and I did not believe in investing in a system I did not agree with).

He puts his money in a bank that is part of a system that he would be hopelessly confused were you try to explain it to him in lieu of the relatively straightforward process of buying a small share of equity in a publicly-traded company.

5. Finally, I believed the concept of making money off your money had created a greedy, lazy class who didn't produce any product, just misery and fear among the populace.

Isn't creating fear and misery among the populace what Moore does as his profession? If not, he certainly profits from it: had Flint, Michigan stayed the industrial giant it once was, would Moore have gotten his first $3m?

How did someone from the left get such a wide mainstream audience?!

It is interesting to get an insight into how others think. Moore thinks that left liberals have been excluded from the media.

I do very well -- and for a documentary filmmaker, I do extremely well. That, too, drives conservatives bonkers. "You're rich because of capitalism!" they scream at me. Um, no.

I'm breaking this one up because what follows next... read for yourselves:

Didn't you take Econ 101? Capitalism is a system, a pyramid scheme of sorts, that exploits the vast majority so that the few at the top can enrich themselves more.

Emphasis mine. Moore asks conservatives if they took economics 101 (most probably didn't, but that's not the point.)

Some years I earn a boatload of cash. Other years, like last year, I don't have a job (no movie, no book) and so I make a lot less.

Once again, he plays the poor boy from Michigan card. Only this time, he's worth $50 million and wouldn't need to work another day in his life if he so chose. If he's feeling down from not having a job, he can always apply at McDonald's. That is, if he isn't trying to shut them down and put everyone else out of work too.

The fact that anyone takes Michael Moore seriously is truly mystifying.

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Thought this was pretty great:

via WWTDD.com:

Jay Z, Michael Moore cash in on Occupy

occupyallstreetsroc4life

As it says on their “about” page

(Occupy Wall Street) is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations (and) aims to expose how the richest 1% of people are writing the rules of an unfair global economy.

“Yeeaahh”, says fattie Michael Moore, who addressed an Occupy crowd in Denver last week and railed against “greedy” corporations. Though, to be fair, that isn’t why he went to Denver in the first place.

Moore was in Denver on a tour to promote his $27 memoir, ‘Here Comes Trouble: Stories from My Life.’

By the way that book is published by Grand Central Publishing, a subdivision of the French company Hachette, which is the second largest publisher in the world. Hachette is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Lagardère Group, a multinational conglomerate headquartered in Paris which does business in nearly 40 countries. Among other things they hold a 7.5% stake in EADS, a global defense and military contractor, which absorbed the Lagardère subsidiary Aérospatiale-Matra, a French missile and aircraft manufacturer. On a side note, some claim Moore is worth 50 million dollars. But I’m getting off track. “Heese hiant companies an wich people are ewol,” says Moore between bites of food!

And now Jay Z wants to cash in on Occupy too, though he just said fuck it and isn’t even gonna pretend that he’s trying to help in some way.

The millionaire rapper and entrepreneur is launching a line of Occupy Wall Street-themed t-shirts featuring the phrase “Occupy All Streets,” that go on sale on Jay-Z’s Rocawear website on Friday.
But the genius behind “99 Problems” isn’t sharing the profits with the 99 percent. A spokesperson from Rocawear told Business Insider in a statement that the company has not “made an official commitment” to support the movement financially.

I’d also like to encourage these dirty hippies to Occupy All Streets. Since that’s where I drive.

 

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Michael Moore obviously doesn't listen to Propagandhi.

"And yes, I recognize the irony that the very system I oppose affords me the luxury of biting the hand that feeds. But that`s exactly why priviledged fucks like me should feel obliged to whine and kick and scream- until everyone has everything they need."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUNNuhgyyxU

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That sentence makes absolutely no sense.

 

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drudge report found this:

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/abreitbart/2011/11/10/exclusive-photos-michael-moores-massive-michigan-vacation-mansion-beyond-99-percents-wildest-dreams/

Photos of his vacation home, worth 2 million at least.

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"All corporatism is capitalism, but not all capitalism is coroporatism... kind-of thing."

Well not necessarily. Private corporations could be given government contracts on government land or capital. 

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I have no comments on Occupy Wallstreet, while in some places i find Michael Moore to be true and right, in some its a bit blurry and its not possible to know what is right. I hope whatever happens, happens for the best.

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The hits just keep on comin...

 

 

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Chyd3nius replied on Tue, Nov 22 2011 8:26 AM

"I quess if you make your money making documentaries it's okay but if you do anything else, you know..."  Peter Schiff

LMAO

-- --- English I not so well sorry I will. I'm not native speaker.
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