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Johnny Doe posted on Fri, Nov 25 2011 5:48 AM

It`s claimed by a couple of norwegian writers( that Mises supported the austrofascist Dollfuss( Does anyone know anything about it, true/not true?

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"Free market attracts racists."

This is like saying that the subject of history attracts racists. While it may be true that racists can be interested in history, this doesn't say much about the subject itself.

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"Actually, all racists have to do in a collective is get into a position of power and systematically deny state benefits to people they hate."

Also, a great move for racists would be to pass minimum wage laws and other measures to "support" the poor minorities. That is one of the best ways to hurt them.

"Are you sure people who are openly racist today, would stop being racist, if discrimination was legal?"

Not at all; but see above what Johnny Doe said.

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Mises did state that fascism had succeeded in saving Europe from communism for the time being (which was certainly true, looking at the existant and influencial political factions of the time)

In that period, those were virtually the only two political outlooks around. Classical liberalism had long since died off and only reemerged around 1960. We're in a politically dark era of the enlightenment. Science of the natural world has progressed rapidly, but the science of political organization, itself predicated on the understanding on human beings and ethical systems, has not.

Autarchy: rule of the self by the self; the act of self ruling.
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Have you ever checked out the economic policies of parties like the BNP or the FN?  I'll give you a clue, they're not free market. 

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Neither of these parties are fascist, so it's a moot point. You can't have fascism without communism; it's called a "reactionary" movement for a very good reason. The BNP's policies are closer to syndicalism than any other political party in the UK, but in practice no fascist regime utilized syndicalism. The BNP is populist-nationalist in character, representing chiefly a working class white English constitutency angered with the population replacement programs of the cosmpolitan London elites. The FN, I gather, is fairly similar, but with more of a base in France's rural areas and with traces of Vichy recidivists.

If you want a modern day fascist party, look at the PAP. I predict even they will melt into garden variety law and order conservatives once Lee Kuan Yew dies, though.

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Marko replied on Tue, Nov 29 2011 8:41 AM

So as somebody who doesn't know, what exactly is so horrifyingly disqualifying about Dollfuss? From having glanced at the wiki article it seems he tried hard to prevent the incorporation of Austria into Nazi Germany. He cracked down on the Nazi party and was in turn assasinated by Nazis. His was a 'Christian Social' party and he was some kind of corporatist (like Roosevelt!). Also he was bad on the whole democracy and open society schtik and abolished it so as to be better able to fight Nazism and Communism (like Lincoln established the imperial presidency, censorship and prisontime without charges to "save the Union"). Is there even reason to believe he was a racist (like there is with Lincoln)?

Just because he was a bad guy from the perspective of consistent Rothbardian Anarchists doesn't mean some Norwegian pinkos who (chances are) worshipp at the alter of even worse characters (say Obama — the wager of so many wars we lost count) get to stand there in indignation over — the horror, an "Austrofascist".

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Are you sure people who are openly racist today, would stop being racist, if discrimination was legal?
no, that is not what I said. If people were allowed to discriminate, then racists would make less money because of their discrimination. Racist acts have costs.

as it is now, the racists do not have to pay this cost and can resolve the cognitive dissonance by using the existence of the state. If they were faced with the real costs of racist behavior, there would be no cognitive dissonance, just a growing realization that racism is unproductive and unprofitable. Thus, anti-discrimination laws preserve racist attitudes and behaviors.

Keep the faith, Strannix. -Casey Ryback, Under Siege (Steven Seagal)
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Hi Johnny! Here you have my recent complete refutation of this accusation. Bye! :D

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