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A couple of games to play.

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Aristippus Posted: Thu, Oct 4 2012 8:30 PM

Imagine John dug up some clay from the ground and made a pot out of it.  Then James took the pot.  John objected and James took out a gun and shot him in the face.

Imagine John dug up some clay from the ground and made a pot out of it.  Then Matthew took the pot.  Matthew sold the pot to James.  John objected and James took out a gun and shot him in the face.

Are James' actions in these scenarios just or unjust?

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SkepticalMetal replied on Thu, Oct 4 2012 8:31 PM

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Kelvin Silva replied on Thu, Oct 4 2012 8:36 PM

Shooting someone in the face because of a mere pot is unjust.

They must go to private court to settle the matter, and to find restitution that is just for both parties.

Shooting the guy in the face is dealing more than what is needed.

Instead of this being an eye for an eye, this is an eye for the whole body and then some more

It is overly punishing.

Edit- Your scenarios are quite confusing.

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Andrew Cain replied on Thu, Oct 4 2012 8:37 PM

Seriously, can I be a race car driver?

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SkepticalMetal replied on Thu, Oct 4 2012 8:44 PM

@ Andrew Cain

wat

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Andrew Cain replied on Thu, Oct 4 2012 8:48 PM

@SkepticalMetal

Zoom Zoom!

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Aristippus replied on Thu, Oct 4 2012 8:48 PM

You can be a tank driver or a fighter pilot.

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SkepticalMetal replied on Thu, Oct 4 2012 8:51 PM

@ Andrew Cain

I dun get it...ur makin my brain implo-

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Andrew Cain replied on Thu, Oct 4 2012 8:53 PM

"You can be a tank driver or a fighter pilot."

Then I win. 

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SkepticalMetal replied on Thu, Oct 4 2012 8:54 PM

GODDAMMIT I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT

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Aristippus replied on Thu, Oct 4 2012 9:00 PM

Luminar doesn't want to play?

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TronCat replied on Thu, Oct 4 2012 9:07 PM

This James sounds like an asshole. Is he the same guy that steals bikes? 

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Malachi replied on Thu, Oct 4 2012 9:21 PM
I call fighter pilot!
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Marko replied on Thu, Oct 4 2012 9:22 PM

Shouldn't John be the one doing the shooting? If you want to have a debate at all?

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Kelvin Silva replied on Thu, Oct 4 2012 9:22 PM

Hmm infact, after shooting, he could ressurect one, and torture the other?

I like rainbows.

 

It did say Imagine.

 

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Malachi replied on Thu, Oct 4 2012 9:25 PM
In my opinion James' is responsible for the debate not happening. I think if John was trying to debate he wouldnt shoot him. This is HHH stuff right
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Aristippus replied on Thu, Oct 4 2012 9:26 PM

Shouldn't John be the one doing the shooting? If you want to have a debate at all?

No, it's James.  I've seen people on this forum imply that James is in the right in this scenario so I'm wondering if they'll show themselves here.

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Oct 5 2012 8:49 AM

Aristippus:
Imagine John dug up some clay from the ground and made a pot out of it.  Then James took the pot.  John objected and James took out a gun and shot him in the face.

Imagine John dug up some clay from the ground and made a pot out of it.  Then Matthew took the pot.  Matthew sold the pot to James.  John objected and James took out a gun and shot him in the face.

Are James' actions in these scenarios just or unjust?

I'd say his actions in both scenarios are unjust.

The keyboard is mightier than the gun.

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xahrx replied on Fri, Oct 5 2012 9:56 AM

Depends on the pot, really.  If it's really nice, I could see how James would shoot someone over it.

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