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Conceived in Liberty by Rothbard

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Conza88 posted on Sun, Feb 15 2009 10:40 AM

http://mises.org/journals/aen/aen11_2_1.asp

AEN: What about Conceived in Liberty?

MNR: After the Volcker Fund collapsed, I got another grant from the Lilly Endowment to do a history of the U.S., which I worked on from 1962-66. The original idea was to take the regular facts and put a libertarian assessment on everything. But once I started to work on it, I found many facts had been left out, like tax rebellions. So it got longer and longer. It turned into the five volume Conceived in Liberty, covering the Colonial period to the Constitution. I don't chart this stuff in advance. I don't like to work that way. I go step by step and it keeps getting longer. After Arlington House published volume four, they went out of business. Volume five, on the Constitution, was written in longhand and no one can read my handwriting.

So that's it? Has it ever been translated or decrypted? Tongue Tied That, to me, seems like the most important part! Sad

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Well, it is not lost. It is a huge pile of yellow paper. I have many thoughts about this topic because it comes up quite often. One is that Conceived is MNR's least-read project. There are four massive volumes. They are wonderful. But not many people take them on. Over the years, I've found it interesting that there is so much interest in the unpublished 5th volume but very low interest in the published 4 volumes. I'm not saying that is true in this case, but I offer it as an observation from accumulated evidence.

Another point is that MNR very much wrote in drafts. They were revised and revised and revised again and again. Whatever we came up with out of this--and we are talking about years of work here--it would not be what Murray would have finally approved. We can know this for sure. He would have changed many things. What he would have changed is very difficult to say. So it is right to be a bit squemish about this idea.

FEE has produced several books of Mises's lectures. They are wonderful. I really like them. They sound like Mises to me. And yet you end up reading with some slight doubt that this would have been precisely what he would have approved for print. I'm glad FEE did this, very much so. And yet I'm not sure that one can really say for sure that this is authoritative in every way.

Murray's Conceived 5 notes are far far far less publishable in some form that notes take from Mises's lectures. So I really doubt that anything will ever come of it. Sometimes it is hard to realize and fully adjust to the fact that some things didn't go the way that might have, and not having this 5th volume is just one of those things. Another is that he never completed his History of Thought. For my part, I think it is sometimes good to rejoice in what we do have rather than getting too upset about what we do not have.

Ok, one last example here. For years, a manuscript by MNR on the conservative movement--brilliant and autobiographical--circulated in private, copied hundreds of times. Finally it came out as a book--after years of work on our part. It is called Betrayal of the American Right. I must say that it has not been a smash seller, and perhaps that is our fault, I don't know. But it certainly is my impression that there was more interest in the book before it was printed than after, and this has nothing to do with quality. It is a great book.

I think this has to do with the normal human tendency to desperately want what you can't get to but to be oddly indifferent to what is readily available.

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Eric replied on Thu, Feb 19 2009 10:55 AM

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Giles,

 

In the back of the 2009 catalog at about page 34 they have the upcoming releases.

 

http://mises.org/books/2009catalog.pdf

 

I didn't know about these. I can't wait!

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Roy Munson:

Giles,

 

In the back of the 2009 catalog at about page 34 they have the upcoming releases.

 

http://mises.org/books/2009catalog.pdf

Ah, that's great, thank you.

 

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What's not great is the lack of Hoppe's book in that list

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Giles, which of Hoppe's books are not on that list?

Mr Tucker, what changes are being made to the new edition of MES?

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I meant in the upcoming books part.

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The biggest change in the new MES is a fantastic new and creative introduction by Joseph Salerno. He evaluates its place in the history of ideas, with many surprises.

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GilesStratton:
...upcoming releases

The Perl Harbor book looks interesting. The causes of the conflict between the US and Japan are still almost as taboo a subject as Lincoln.

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Sage replied on Thu, Feb 19 2009 4:31 PM

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What's not great is the lack of Hoppe's book in that list

You mean his grand treatise? I seem to recall hearing that it would take him around six years to write.

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sirmonty:

If I could afford to buy it at the moment, I'd gladly buy the Conceived in Liberty set.  I started reading vol. 1 but unfortunately had to return it to the library before I got a chance to finish it. Stick out tongue

I "read" the audio version. >_>

Are all volumes on audio?

No, just the first one and a good chunk of the second.

If so, I'd like to find those.  That way I can "read" them while at work.

They're in the Mises media archive, under the audio books section.

Still going to buy the books someday, though.  Something about owning a hardcopy....

Yeh, they're on my to-buy list as well.

 

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Sage:
You mean his grand treatise? I seem to recall hearing that it would take him around six years to write.

Where did you hear that. And that is unfortunate.

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I'm not a big fan of audio tapes. Unless I listen to them on my way to university.

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nhaag replied on Sat, Feb 21 2009 2:02 PM

jtucker:
The good news is that they will be here in a couple of weeks.

This is indeed good new, I am waiting to purchase it for a pretty long time now(thought it to be my own personal christmas gift) :-)

 

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Paul replied on Sat, Feb 21 2009 11:48 PM

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Conza88:

In all seriousness... if I could some how learn to read his longhand or handwriting style, so I could translate this:

I would.

Someone out there has got too. This can't be lost... it can't... Indifferent

Why Mr. Tucker is right to assert what he did about the allure of the 5th volume being mostly contained in its myster, I'm sure if you wanted to first learn Rothbard's longhand and then translate it on your own time over an extended period of time[probably the better part of all your free time for the better part of a decade] at the Mises library, Mr. Tucker would not stop you, would he?  

Another option would just be scan it all and upload to pgdp.net, where it'll get done much faster...

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equack replied on Tue, Feb 24 2009 5:50 PM

Rothbard's typewriter must have broke down or something while the fifth volume was forming. I heard Walter Block remark while reflecting on his friendship with Murray that he would type 30 pages in a day which may have caused the sudden transition to longhand Stick out tongue.

I always wonder what happened to his typewriter. Either he threw it away or its sitting in some MNR fan's collection. Murray's typewriter is comparable to a holy grail of libertarianism.

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equack:

Rothbard's typewriter must have broke down or something while the fifth volume was forming. I heard Walter Block remark while reflecting on his friendship with Murray that he would type 30 pages in a day which may have caused the sudden transition to longhand Stick out tongue.

I always wonder what happened to his typewriter. Either he threw it away or its sitting in some MNR fan's collection. Murray's typewriter is comparable to a holy grail of libertarianism.

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I'd buy that typewriter a beer (Beer), anyday. Big Smile

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