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Dynamix Posted: Sat, Dec 15 2007 12:57 AM

I haven't noticed any poll options, so for those who'd like to make their stances known feel free to post here to identify your (current) position.

#1. Minarchist

#2. Anarchist

#3. Other (please elaborate)

 

I'm a member of the second camp.

 

[EDIT: It's also understood that all comments of which of the above is "right" will be saved for other threads.]

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 I guess the second camp has now two members Wink

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Hoppean market anarchist.

 

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Kent C replied on Sat, Dec 15 2007 11:28 AM

 Evolutionary anarchist.

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I am a paleolibertarian, since I believe that the state has the right to protect the unborn. I am a strong proponent of civil liberties. I am not a Left-Libertarian nor market anarchist because I believe that copyright (NOT patents) createc innovation. I also believe that the state has the right to restrict immigration of the "inferior races." Wink I am a paleolibertarian because Ron Paul is also a paleolibertarian. I am not a minarchist because I hate its utilitarian aspect. Every individual is unique and should be protected. No individual should assassinated in order to benefit the "majority".

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Jonatan K replied on Sat, Dec 15 2007 12:49 PM

I'm Constitutional Monarchist. Unforunatly I'm hort in time to elaborate.

"We are nothing. Mankind is all. By the grace of our brothers are we allowed our lives. We exist through, by and for our brothers who are the State. Amen."

 

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Rothbardian anarchist. :) 

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Mark B. replied on Sat, Dec 15 2007 2:30 PM

 Ultra-minarchist, currently flirting with anarchism.

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace. We seek not your council, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
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Terilien replied on Sat, Dec 15 2007 2:44 PM

Very Moderate Minarchist, and philosophical anachist.

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A minarchist, at the moment.  My position might change after I read more Mises and Rothbard.  I am still fairly new to the Austrian School.   

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minorgrey replied on Sat, Dec 15 2007 3:38 PM
I'd consider myself an anarchist.
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Rich333 replied on Sat, Dec 15 2007 3:48 PM

Anarchist.

Corporations are an extension of the state.

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Juan replied on Sat, Dec 15 2007 4:12 PM
Anarchist.

¨ The anarchist is the enemy of humanity, the enemy of all mankind; and his is a deeper degree of criminality than any other. No immigrant is allowed to come to our shores if he is an anarchist; and no paper published here or abroad should be permitted circulation in this country if it propagates anarchistic opinions. ¨ - THE WHITE HOUSE, April 9,1908.

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I accept all of the following labels (in alphabetical order) 

Abolitionist, agorist, agnostic, American, anarcha-feminist, anarchist, anarcho-capitalist, anarcho-liberal, anarchristian, anti-ageist, anti-aggression, anti-classist, anti-fascist, anti-interventionist, anti-nationalist, anti-racist, anti-statist, anti-war, artist, audiophile, austrian, autarchist, author, bibliophile, consistent, diversitarian, Earthling, environmentalist, extreme skeptic, feminist, fiscal conservative, free market anarchist, free marketeer, free market environmentalist, free market liberal, green libertarian, honest, hopeless romantic, human, humanist, ifeminist, individualist, individualist anarchist, individualist feminist, individualist masculist, intellectual, leftist, left-libertarian, left-Rothbardian, left-wing capitalist, *** feminist, liberal, libertarian, libertarian capitalist, libertarian feminist, libertarian masculist, market anarchist, market liberal, Marylander, masculist, moderate, natural lawyer, patriot, philosopher, private propertarian, progressive, propertarian, proletarian, radical, radical libertarian, realist, revolutionary, scientist, sex-positive feminist, skeptic, soft utilitarian, stigmergic socialist, student, thinker, tolerant, voluntaryist, and writer.

I do not view voting or copyrights to be unethical, however, despite my appreciation of agorism and voluntaryism.

Short answer: I'm in the second camp.

 

 

According to this quiz, I am:

Anarcho-Capitalist

90%

Anarcha-Feminist

85%

Anarcho-Syndicalist

35%

Christian Anarchist

30%

Anarcho-Communist

20%

Anarcho-Primitivist

20%

 

And according to this quiz, I'm:

Anarchist

100%

Republican

43%

Communist

29%

Democrat

14%

Fascist

0%

Socialist

0%

 

According to this quiz, I am not an anarchist but am a libertarian.

The ever-baised Political Compass quiz also does not place me where I belong.  Egh.

Yours, Alex Peak “I’m very optimistic about the future of free-market capitalism. I’m not optimistic about the future of stat[ist] capitalism—or rather, I am optimistic, because I think it will eventually come to an end.” – Murray N. Rothbard, “A Future of Peace and Capitalism,” 1973
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*** feminist
The word "lesbian" was auto-deleted.  Glitch?

Yours, Alex Peak “I’m very optimistic about the future of free-market capitalism. I’m not optimistic about the future of stat[ist] capitalism—or rather, I am optimistic, because I think it will eventually come to an end.” – Murray N. Rothbard, “A Future of Peace and Capitalism,” 1973
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That's a lot of labels!

I consider myself a market anarchist with agorist, left-rothbardian persuasions (that's right, I said left-rothbardian).

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Niccolò replied on Sat, Dec 15 2007 9:54 PM

Left-Libertarian, Market Anarchist, Anti-Minarchist.

The Origins of Capitalism

And for more periodic bloggings by moi,

Leftlibertarian.org

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Paul Grad replied on Sun, Dec 16 2007 12:16 PM

Minarchist-Libertarian influenced by Franklin-Jefferson-Hayek-Rothbard.

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BBB replied on Sun, Dec 16 2007 2:29 PM

I think of myself as liberal (by this I mean an over-arching outlook which subsumes private property anarchism and classical liberalism).  I do not think I have sufficient reason to agree with Mises against the anarchists or vice versa (this is not just because I am still studying the ideas; I think many anarchists and their opponents should acknowledge the need to give this controversy further consideration), so I prefer to identify myself as liberal, open to different specifications within the broad group of positions which emphasise liberty.

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Right- Libertarian Free Market Anarchist.

The atoms tell the atoms so, for I never was or will but atoms forevermore be.

Yours sincerely,

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I am an anarchist (Rothbard style).

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All libertarians believe that all humans are alike in dignity, all have the same natural rights.

I have these questions to "libertarian" who said in his post there are inferior races: 

How is it that you think there are inferior races? Which ones are inferior and superior according to you? Does the superior have more rights?

How can you support Ron Paul, whe he has said many times that all individuals have the same natural rights no matter the race, religion, sexual preference, etc.?

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Anarchist (Currently Left Rothbardian)
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Dynamix replied on Mon, Dec 17 2007 2:34 PM

Luis Eduardo Zamorano:

I have these questions to "libertarian" [...]

That's what the PM function is for. This thread is for identification.

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Fried Egg replied on Tue, Dec 18 2007 6:40 AM

 I would say that I'm a minarchist. I realise the problems in having a minimal state (in keeping it minimal) and also with raising funds through coercive taxation but I consider it the lesser of two evils when I compare with anarchism which will (in my opinion) lack a universally and equally applicable judicial system. People must have their property rights upheld whether or not they can afford to buy this "service". It is a pre-requisite to it being a free market. 

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ricarpe replied on Tue, Dec 18 2007 9:01 AM

I honestly don't know.  Huh?

"All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree." -James Madison

"If government were efficient, it would cease to exist."

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tim replied on Tue, Dec 18 2007 3:16 PM
market anarchist

Time will tell

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OK, I change my vote to minarcho-capitalist.
I am not a constitutionist, since the 10th amendment allows states to arbitrarily set laws.
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 I am a market anarchist. But I prefer Free (Market) Radical, LOL. We currently have the smallest government possible, IMO. Once the wishes of each sub-group to gain control of the government or a slice of the government, have their say so, you get what we have. There can be no scaling back, because as long as their is some unseen "greater good" to be served, everyone should and does have a share in what that is. So the only greater good that can exist is individual freedom, unless you want what we have. I don't think that it is anymore preferable to wrest control from the federal tryany just to hand control of it to a local or state tyrany.

The Anarchists are simply unterrified Jeffersonian Democrats. They believe that 'the best government is that which governs least,' and that which governs least is no government at all.
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I am a polycentrist, in that I believe that a "natural order" (anarchy) would be based upon reciprocal obligations channelled by respected authorities in particular fields. I am also against elective abortion, as I feel it is as much an aggression against human dignity as war or slavery or taxes.

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Minarchist.

Court system, police force, and a small standing army for self-defense are the only rightful activities of gov't.

In real life though, I am much more willing to accept the mob's drive for redistributive action if it isn't specifically creating gov't monopolies to provide whatever good/service the mob is seeking at any given time. LOL 

 

It's a buyer's market for liberty right now. Hell, folks are giving it away!
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sam72 replied on Tue, Jan 1 2008 5:38 PM

Paleolibertarian (which most definitely means market-anarchist), currently looking at the validity of the counter-economy, ie agorism.  

 Of course, I accept the main tenets of agorism, I'm just not sure it could ever achieve its goal of running the state "out of business", so to speak.

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Paul replied on Tue, Jan 1 2008 10:25 PM
I prefer just anarchist or anarcho-capitalist.  The Free Radical (http://www.freeradical.co.nz) has some good stuff, but those guys are minarchist Randroids.
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Firstly, I'm an Individualist. Secondly, a Market Liberal.

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I went from being not interested in politics to being influenced by Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand to being a Libertarian to being a libertarian to being an anarcho-capitalist.  Not exactly a 'long, strange trip", but I've still come a ways.

 

 

 

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I went through pretty much the same progression as MacSnafu, though my influences were Rand, then Bastiat, Rothbard, Mises, etc. I put myself firmly in the Anarcho-Capitalist camp. 

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My progression of influences went roughly from Jesus to Bill Maher and John Stossel, then to Harry Browne (with a pinch of Michael Badnarik, introducing me to the concept of natural rights), on to Murray Rothbard.  But of course there are hundreds of others that had influences upon me, including Bastiat, Spangler, etc. etc., just not as fundamentally as Browne and Rothbard.

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Agorist 

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I guess I would be Other, mainly because I only recently crossed over into libertarian territory fairly recently, of which I credit to Ron Paul, although I can't say I agree with him 100% (probably 90%).  However, even when I was a self described "progressive leftist" a half-year ago, I was always reading on opposing viewpoints.  I have to agree on a lot of what I've read so far on minarchy, particularly with Fried Egg's comment on upholding property rights as a pre-req for the free market.


I'll get back to this thread when I stop living online and I've hit some books ;D

 

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CShirk replied on Mon, Jan 7 2008 7:41 AM

At this point, I'm a minarchist with anarcho-capitalist leanings. The only thing that keeps me the former as opposed to the latter is the worry that a wealthy enough business (or a small set thereof) - a bank maybe - could potentially hijack the situation (perhaps hiring thugs and mercenaries as enforcers) and turn itself into a self-perpetuating set of inherited monopolies which use force to make sure that people buy their brand and their brand only, at least on a local scale, with little or no chance of being pulled down. We saw this in the US with some of the mining towns, and also possibly with the hijacking of the US government today - at least that's how I perceive it. I could be wrong on this, but that is simply my concern regarding anarcho-capitalism. The way I see it anarchism of any form would eventually turn to either democracy (which really seems to be little more than oppression by the masses), monarchy, or some kind of rule by the corporate board of executives or whatever. In an ideal world, I would certainly prefer anarchism, however the world is not ideal, so I think there is at least a need for some kind of impartial judiciary to decide on cases of breached contracts at a bare minimum.

 

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