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[quote user="nskinsella"]It either makes someone whole, restores them, or it doesn't. It doesn't, since it's not possible. If it doesn't do this, I'm not sure what it is.[/quote] You're continuing to insist on your false utopian conception of restitution. I don't accept it. It seems to be a sticking point for you
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[quote user="Stephen Forde"]Well, first the question of whether or not someone has a right to do something is separate from whether it is good to do. Kinsella's argument proves that anyone has a right to punish an aggressor proportionately. If he finds it good and he has the right, that's all the justification that is necessary.[/quote
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[quote user="wilderness"] I added an edit to my previous post cause now the thought occurred to me. Are we being virtuous pawning off a criminal to a potential other community. [/quote] There are ways around this. In the modern age, it's not hard to send notice to other communities about someone's criminal history. Websites for this
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[quote user="liberty student"] I never expected a thread like this would pull NSK and GAP in, and invite such animated discussion. It's wonderful. Just goes to show sometimes you can accidentally succeed. [/quote] Stephan and I have "debated" this stuff ad nauseum elsewhere. :D
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[quote user="nskinsella"]This latter point is significant because, as noted above, restitution based on the idea of restoring the victim is, as Cowen notes, often impossible, so meaningless; for this reason, those advocating restitution usually are vague about the proper standard (since there is no proper standard), or just "punt"
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[quote user="nskinsella"] [quote user="Geoffrey Allan Plauche"] [quote user="nskinsella"] First, my argument is not limited to restitution. In fact, I think restitution is largely a chimera. It is not possible to make the victim of rape or murder "whole." [/quote] Kinsella, your notion of "restitution"
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[quote user="nskinsella"] First, my argument is not limited to restitution. In fact, I think restitution is largely a chimera. It is not possible to make the victim of rape or murder "whole." [/quote] Kinsella, your notion of "restitution" is unrealistic/utopian magical nonsense. A realistic conception of "restitution"
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[quote user="Stephen Forde"] [quote user="Geoffrey Allan Plauche"] How do you justify the punisher giving the criminal his "just deserts" in the first place? [/quote] He has it coming. [/quote] That's not an argument. Why does he have it coming? What justifies it? [quote user="Stephen Forde"] [quote user="Geoffrey
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[quote user="wilderness"] Yeah, without retribution this is as far as I could get in my own thinking. It would be a frightening world: [quote user="wilderness"] Now say this criminal lives next door. I would not want to live next to somebody or deal with somebody that murdered and tends to become an animal. They are in plain sight
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[quote user="Stephen Forde"] [quote user="Brainpolice"]I do not support any form of death penalty or torture as punishment.[/quote] But would you try to prevent it? And how could you justify preventing the punisher from giving the criminal his just deserts? [/quote] How do you justify the punisher giving the criminal his "just