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[quote user="Kent C"]Okay, well here's another one for you. Americans sure love their empty rhetoric of "Freedom". Worked for Jefferson, Reagan and now Ron Paul.[/quote] And to be blunt these one liners and the people who used to fling them are the reason I left so many boards like Maher's. It's a wonder to find them
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[quote user="Brainpolice"]I'm not accusing you of being a paleocon. But I do believe that paleocon influence has made an-caps weaker. Much weaker, since apparently all kinds of protectionism and police statism can be tolerated in the name of "practicality". I would rather shoot for long-term goals in an unfree world and work
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[quote user="Brainpolice"]So, in other words, you are essentially admitting that you are advocating an increase in enforcement of police state legislation. Then you wonder why I don't consider this to be a libertarian strategy.[/quote] I don't care if you consider it a libertarian strategy as I don't consider myself a libertarian
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[quote user="Brainpolice"]That's my question for you. Allowing willing sellers to sell things to immigrants, allowing willing employers to hire immigrants, is not enabling the government.[/quote] Yes it is when the government is providing the incentive for those workers to come here in the first place. And yes that means welfare is at
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[quote user="Brainpolice"]Libertarians get accused of being utopian idealists by non-libertarians all the time. Isn't it amusing when libertarians start to use such tactics against their own kind for trying to remain principled? [/quote] Nice rhetoric, got a point? Libertarians are not idealists anyway, they are a compromise of the anarcho
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[quote user="Brainpolice"]That is not the issue of immigration. It's the issue of taxation and national healthcare and public housing and public education. Complaining about that as an arguement against immigration is disingenuous.[/QUOTE] Not when it's the immigrants taking advantage of the housing and the public education and the
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[quote user="Brainpolice"] I am not primarily concerned with preserving economic prosperity for certain groups, I am primarily concerned with justice. In the absence of justice, I could really care less about good consequences. [/quote] Which is a typical idealist answer and the general reason why idealists are mostly ineffective at achieving
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[quote user="Brainpolice"] Oh yes. Surely they are all disease-ridden, jobless, job-stealing (gotta love opposing claims), welfare-sucking criminal hoodlums who believe in communism. Best we throw our principles out the window for the moment in order to stop this cultural scourge and keep the world safe for anglo-purity and job security. Afterall
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[quote user="Kent C"]But BP, if you open the borders, we dirty, disease ridden foreigners will be coming in and raping xahrx's sister. Best keep them out. [/quote] But Kent C, it's easier to offer caricatures of arguments than deal with what people actually say. Oh, I'm sorry, you obviously already knew that.
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[quote user="Brainpolice"]I don't believe it is hypocritical for a libertarian to drive on a public road. What is hypocritical is for a libertarian to advocate what amounts to a police state and a federal movement bereaucracy in the name of solving problems that they themselves admit are created by the welfare state, and in the name of