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[quote user="Cork"] [quote]If it wasn't for those old people you'd be speaking German right now[/quote] A silly war propaganda cliche. [/quote] Indeed, I'm somewhat shocked to see such a hackneyed bit of foolishness appear here. Yes, thank God they delivered half of Europe to STALIN. Yes, they should really be proud of themselves
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[quote user="nandnor"]especially retired people, the system of social security has existed for so long that none of the old people at present have any savings of their own and many lack close relatives to finance them. what that means that the amount of money needed to support them at a decent standard of living would have to be similar to
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[quote user="sthomper"]"A murderer's life is forfeit....." i assume you mean in times of war too. but this is probobly as good as it can get. and those lives that kill the falsely accused should also be forfeit.[/quote] Indeed, in times of war, too. And you should be absolutely certain that the accused is guilty before you kill
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[quote user="I. Ryan"]No. The murderer is still alive; therefore, the murderer has retained his right to life (in that situation). Your argument uses ambiguous language to create an illusionary point.[/quote] Pretty much any argument on these topics is going to involve either some ambiguity or oversimplification. After all, it is difficult
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[quote user="jdcoffey"]That seems like a legitimate argument. Are you saying, in effect, that the murderer becomes the property of the wife?[/quote] Yes.
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[quote user="jdcoffey"]How can restitution be made in case of Murder? The victim is dead and cannot be paid. Let's assume that the victim is married and has two young children with his wife. The wife could receive whatever restitution to which the victim would be entitled, but isn't it true that no payment or service can replace the
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I tend to agree with some of those previous that the definition and significance of property is the real sticking point, and one I've been unable to see a bridge across. There are some here that see property as an inter-generational absolute, valid and eternal with as little an act as saying it's yours first (DIBS!!!). Others take a more moderate
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[quote user="nirgrahamUK"]i want to be on record here, as i have on other threads, to say that the practical consequences of this philosophizing boundary cases in a world where the moral agents only obligation are to natural law ( i.e. they have not pledged to follow a code of conduct, or subscribe to market law, and other such things.) are
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[quote user="nirgrahamUK"]i dont feel confident to stridently say one way or another about that coma patient. do you? (based on aforementioned arguments, it seems for logical consitancy i would argue that the rights go away, and will or could only come back once those pathways are rebuilt)[/quote] I would argue that rights are retained through
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[quote user="nirgrahamUK"]well, its analgous... if we grant that mind is generated by physical brain, then the brain machine in its mature construction, can reason, as the tv can display images, whereas the immature brain, which cant reason (yet), is like the base metals that would eventually be put together to be a Tv. often qualititive changes