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EmperorNero: Thanks for your explanation. While I cannot distinguish the two as much as you (and others) have, I do see your point now. Striving for something is very different than striving against something. What should be pointed out is that any action, whether it is on the surface striving for or against something, is actually both. Striving for
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John James: The problem is that we're using different definitions of the pertinent words. Yes, I stand by the statement if 'perfection' means 'a standard of excellence', but not necessarily if it means 'some world where no one does anything bad and lives a completely moral life according to John James'.
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Z: Anything is possible with cooperation.
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[quote user=" Micah71381 "]While I agree with you that in the end, goods/services are trading hands and there is mutual benefit regardless of wether it's barter or with money, I don't think this is how some socialists see it which is why terminology matters. Since we are trying to grasp the socialist point of view we need to try and
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[quote user="Eric M"]So, tell me, what's your solution to the culture divide?[/quote] [quote user="z1235"]Education about: 1. subjectiveness of value 2. subjective wealth (value) AFTER a voluntary exchange > subjective wealth (value) BEFORE a voluntary exchange ...as the fundamental mechanism for creation of wealth among humans
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Roger that. I would be interested in the connection between physics and this topic if you are so inclined to share.
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Micah: You provide another excellent summary of the concept and solid examples. I would add that even in considering that the universe is finite and technically limited, the amount of wealth in that universe is practically infinite because man's view of what is valuable can change and so can he manipulate the resources in the universe to provide
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Z: You are obviously not willing to work with me on this thesis. So, tell me, what's your solution to the culture divide?
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Z: [quote user="z1235"]I ask you again "limited and controllable" by whom?[/quote] Limited and controllable by anything or anyone--the main point is that, as you put it, the participants have a high certainty that its aggregate quantity is somehow fixed and controllable. You bring up the notion of decree and the idea that the market
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Z: You say "If tomorrow modern alchemists discovered an easy way to turn any matter into gold, then obviously gold would stop being used as money". Why is this so? And is it not to some degree due to the fact that money must be limited and controllable in order for it to be useful as money?