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See Marx: Capital - Volume 1 , chapters 26-33. The government wrote the legislation which made the great robbery by capitalists legal. Capitalism needs and reproduces the state. It is the public servants who do the messy jobs for the capital: Police killing demonstrators, police gunning down strikers, police and judiciary protecting the property of
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@Malachi So you think using and controlling something amounts to having something as property? I showed that this is not true. I can show it again: A user of a public road does not own it. As somebody who breathes air I don't own it. However, the capitalists who pollute it obviously own it. A tenant does not own her apartment, her landlord does
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Sometimes I admire the courage of those parasites to display their stupidity. This Gina said: If you're jealous of those with more money, don't just sit there and complain. Do something to make more money yourself — spend less time drinking or smoking and socializing, and more time working As if she had earned her billions by working.
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Natural law is nothing but a myth invented by the Austrian "economists" in order to a priori legitimate (sic!) their envisaged property regime, their dystopia of racist neo-feudalism, their totalitarian anarcho-capitalism, the absolute rule of capital over wage laborers. Their ideology goes under some more appropriate names like Apriorism
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On defense from authoritarian neighbors see p. 242 of Gelderloos: Anarchy works .
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"it is also more freedom to include or exclude anyone you want on possessions you acquired through your own personal labor." It is certainly not freedom for those excluded. And to exclude other people from the usage of goods is only necessary under capitalism. Capitalism creates scarcity. ""The state has thhe monopoly of violence"
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[quote user="grant.w.underwood"] how is it more freedom not to own property? [/quote] It is more freedom not to be excluded from use of things by property owners. [quote user="grant.w.underwood"]Why does property need to be enforced by the state?[/quote] The state has the monopoly of violence. The state enforces the property laws
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Property and freedom of speech are mutually exclusive. Property is a very effective tool to censor everybody. Just look at the copyright wars the content mafia is waging on all people. Their "intellectual property" enables them to silence everybody.
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Property is the exclusion of everybody but the owner from use, enforced by (state) violence. Under a property regime like capitalism full liberty is impossible. There is still the oppression by property. Consequently, a true libertarian must seek to abolish property. Just go one liberty further!
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[quote user="cab21"] so under marxism, surplus value is not allowed and value is a random arbitrary number with no logic to it? [/quote] First, I am writing about capitalism. In communism there is no value by definition. Second, according to Austrian "economics" - not Marxian Theory - value seems to be quite arbitrary, which completely