The movie contains lots of lies and frauds, if we are to believe the critics in this debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F25gZvmMJJM&feature=PlayList&p=4AE1CEA1A0CD8E24&index=1&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL
Check the latest Lord Monckton debate on YouTube. That is all the refutation necessary for climate fanaticism.
You mean at the Glenn Beck show?
I'd like to see Monckton debate one of these IPCC scientists.
Have you seen the programme I linked to, btw? If not, how can you know that the last Monckton debate includes all the refutation necessary?
alimentarius:You mean at the Glenn Beck show?
No.
alimentarius:Have you seen the programme I linked to, btw?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l2eo7Sj7y0&feature=related
That whole interview is an amazing refutation on Global warming by Monckton. Just ignore the interviewer.
It seems like he makes a lot of stuff up. Maybe not, but thats what it seems like. He probably has all the right pieces of the puzzle and I did gain from watching the interview, but its not something I would show to climate change skeptics.
On lightbulbs:"they put out a light which is completely uncomfortable to the eye and is going cause an even greater dumbing down of the population [inaudible] soon not going to be able to read at all"HIs idea that the earth will just radiate its extra heat off into space is not necessarily true. Its like saying you can't heat up your food because the hotter your food gets the more heat it expels, which is right. But the heat lost is only equal to the heat gained at equilibrium. I dont think anyone knows what the equilibrium conditions are for global temperature.
Also, they need to like, get plastic surgeons in britain. His eyes are like... well just look at his eyes.
alimentarius:I'd like to see Monckton debate one of these IPCC scientists.
You mean one of the IPCC Political Appointees?
oh contraire, the interviewer is critical to the piece, the majesty of the bald head!
Thanks for the lead on this though.
Prof Lindzen
http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/230_TakingGr.pdf
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alimentarius:The movie contains lots of lies and frauds
Nonsense, the movie had some errors that were corrected in later versions. The rest has been refuted.
The Science in The Great Global Warming Swindle (S. Fred Singer, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences)'The global-warmers were bound to attack, but why are they so feeble?' (The Daily Telegraph, UK)Up against the warming zealots (The Australian)
"Anarchism misunderstands the real nature of man. It would be practicable only in a world of angels and saints" - Ludwig von Mises
Amadeus:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l2eo7Sj7y0&feature=related
It doesn't give him much credibility when he accuses Dawkins of being a coward. Is this a Christian guy?
Does it matter? I don't believe he was attacking Dawkins on religion, rather apparently, Dawkins method of selecting interviews.
alimentarius:It doesn't give him much credibility when he accuses Dawkins of being a coward. Is this a Christian guy?
are you serious? if its wrong Dawkins can call him out; i.e. have the debate.
alimentarius: It doesn't give him much credibility when he accuses Dawkins of being a coward. Is this a Christian guy?
This fails to prove global warming.
alimentarius: The movie contains lots of lies and frauds, if we are to believe the critics in this debate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F25gZvmMJJM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F25gZvmMJJM
"Debunking the Critic - MWP"
The MWP is well established in the scientific literature:
A 700 year record of Southern Hemisphere extratropical climate variability(Annals of Glaciology, Volume 39, Number 1, pp.127-132, June 2004)- P.A Mayewski et al.Caribbean sea surface temperatures: Two‐to‐three degrees cooler than present during the Little Ice Age(Geophysical Research Letters, Volume 27, Issue 20, pp. 3365-3368, Octonber 2000)- Amos Winter, Hiroshi Ishioroshi, Tsuyoshi Watanabe, Tadamichi Oba, John R. ChristyCoherent High- and Low-Latitude Climate Variability During the Holocene Warm Period(Science, Volume 288, Number 5474, pp. 2198-2202, June 2000)- Peter deMenocal, Joseph Ortiz, Tom Guilderson, Michael Sarnthein Evidence for a 'Medieval Warm Period' in a 1,100 year tree-ring reconstruction of past austral summer temperatures in New Zealand(Geophysical Research Letters, Volume 29, Number 14, pp. 1-4, July 2002)- E. R. Cook, J. G. Palmer, R. D'ArrigoEvidence for a warmer period during the 12th and 13th centuries AD from chironomid assemblages in Southampton Island, Nunavut, Canada(Quaternary Research, Volume 72, Issue 1, pp. 27-37, July 2009)- Nicolas Rolland et al.Evidence for the existence of the medieval warm period in China(Climatic Change, Volume 26, Numbers 2-3, pp. 289-297, March 1994)- De'Er ZhangGlacial geological evidence for the medieval warm period(Climatic Change, Volume 26, Numbers 2-3, pp. 143-169, March 1994)- Jean M. Grove, Roy SwitsurLate Holocene surface ocean conditions of the Norwegian Sea (Vøring Plateau)(Paleoceanography, Volume 18, Number 2, June 2003)- Carin Andersson, Bjørg Risebrobakken, Eystein Jansen, Svein Olaf DahlLow-Frequency Signals in Long Tree-Ring Chronologies for Reconstructing Past Temperature Variability(Science, Volume 295, Number 5563, pp. 2250-2253, March 2002)- Jan Esper, Edward R. Cook, Fritz H. SchweingruberMedieval climate warming and aridity as indicated by multiproxy evidence from the Kola Peninsula, Russia(Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology, Volume 209, Issues 1-4, pp. 113-125, July 2004)- K. V. Kremenetski, T. Boettger, G. M. MacDonald, T. Vaschalova, L. Sulerzhitsky, A. HillerMedieval Warm Period, Little Ice Age and 20th century temperature variability from Chesapeake Bay(Global and Planetary Change, Volume 36, Issues 1-2, pp. 17-29, March 2003)- T. M. Cronin, G. S. Dwyer, T. Kamiya, S. Schwede, D. A. WillardReconstructing Climatic and Environmental Changes of the Past 1000 Years: A Reappraisal (PDF)(Energy & Environment, Volume 14, Numbers 2-3, pp. 233-296, May 2003)- Willie H. Soon, Sallie L. Baliunas, Sherwood B. Idso, Craig Idso, David R. Legates
The Little Ice Age and Medieval Warm Period in the Sargasso Sea(Science, Volume 274, Number 5292, pp. 1503-1508, November 29, 1996)- Lloyd D. KeigwinThe Little Ice Age and Medieval Warming in South Africa(South African Journal of Science, Volume 96, Number 3, pp. 121-126, 2000)- P. D. Tyson, W. Karlén, K. Holmgren and G. A. HeissThe Little Ice Age as Recorded in the Stratigraphy of the Tropical Quelccaya Ice Cap(Science, Volume 234, Number 4774, pp. 361-364, October 1986)- L.G. Thompson, E. Mosley-Thompson, W. Dansgaard, P.M. GrootesThe 'Mediaeval Warm Period' drought recorded in Lake Huguangyan, tropical South China(Holocene, Volume 12, Number 5, pp. 511-516, 2002)- Guoqiang Chu, Jiaqi Liu, Qing Sun, Houyuan Lu, Zhaoyan Gu, Wenyuan Wang, Tungsheng LiuThe Medieval Warm Period in the Daihai Area(Journal of Lake Sciences, Volume 14, Number 3, pp. 209-216, September 2002)- Z. Jin, J. Shen, S. Wang, E. ZhangTime scales and trends in the central England temperature data (1659–1990): A wavelet analysis(Geophysical Research Letters, Volume 24, Issue 11, pp. 1351-1354, June 1997)- Sallie Baliunas, Peter Frick, Dmitry Sokoloff, Willie SoonTorneträsk tree-ring width and density ad 500–2004: a test of climatic sensitivity and a new 1500-year reconstruction of north Fennoscandian summers(Climate Dynamics, Volume 31, Numbers 7-8, December 2008)- Håkan GruddTree-ring and glacial evidence for the medieval warm epoch and the little ice age in southern South America(Climatic Change, Volume 26, Numbers 2-3, March 1994)- Ricardo VillalbaWas the Medieval Warm Period Global? (PDF)(Science, Volume 291, Number 5508, pp. 1497-1499, February 2001)- Wallace S. Broecker
If Martin Durkin made a new version of TGGWS he could have used a more recent proxy reconstruction that clearly shows the MWP:
A 2000-year global temperature reconstruction based on non-treering proxies (PDF)(Energy & Environment, Volume 18, Numbers 7-8, pp. 1049-1058, December 2007)- Craig Loehle
"Debunking the Critic - The Hockey Stick"
The "Hockey Stick" graph that appeared prominently in the 2001 IPCC Third Assessment Report is a fraudulent work of geologist Michael Mann (MBH98).
"Simulations with red noise do lead to hockey sticks. McIntyre and McKitrick’s criticism on the hockey stick from 1998 is entirely valid on this particular point." - Hans von Storch, Ph.D. Climate Statistics Specialist
What is the ‘Hockey Stick’ Debate About? (PDF) (Ross McKitrick, Ph.D. Professor of Environmental Economics, April 4, 2005)
Hockey Stick - What is Normal? (Video) (8min)
It has been thoroughly debunked in the scientific literature:
Corrections to the Mann et al (1998) Proxy Data Base and Northern Hemisphere Average Temperature Series (PDF)(Energy & Environment, Volume 14, Number 6, pp. 751-771, November 2003)- Stephen McIntyre, Ross McKitrickThe M&M Critique of the MBH98 Northern Hemisphere Climate Index: Update and Implications (PDF)(Energy & Environment, Volume 16, Number 1, pp. 69-100, January 2005)- Stephen McIntyre, Ross McKitrickHockey sticks, principal components, and spurious significance (PDF)(Geophysical Research Letters, Volume 32, Issue 3, February 2005)- Stephen McIntyre, Ross McKitrick
"Their method, when tested on persistent red noise, nearly always produces a hockey stick shape..."
- Reply to comment by Huybers on "Hockey sticks, principal components, and spurious significance" (PDF)(Geophysical Research Letters, Volume 32, October 2005)- Stephen McIntyre, Ross McKitrick- Reply to comment by von Storch and Zorita on "Hockey sticks, principal components, and spurious significance" (PDF)(Geophysical Research Letters, Volume 32, October 2005)- Stephen McIntyre, Ross McKitrickHighly variable Northern Hemisphere temperatures reconstructed from low- and high-resolution proxy data (PDF)(Nature, Volume 433, Issue 7026, pp. 613-617, February 2005)- Anders Moberg, Dmitry M. Sonechkin, Karin Holmgren, Nina M. Datsenko and Wibjörn KarlénComment on "The Spatial Extent of 20th-Century Warmth in the Context of the Past 1200 Years"(Science, Volume 316, Number 5833, pp. 1844, June 2007)- Gerd BürgerBias and Concealment in the IPCC Process: The "Hockey-Stick" Affair and Its Implications(Energy & Environment, Volume 18, Numbers 7-8, pp. 951-983, December 2007)- David HollandA mathematical analysis of the divergence problem in dendroclimatology (PDF)(Climatic Change, Volume 94, Numbers 3-4, pp. 233-245, June 2008)- C. LoehleProxy inconsistency and other problems in millennial paleoclimate reconstructions (PDF)(Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Volume 106, Number 6, February 2009)- Stephen McIntyre, Ross McKitrick
"Debunking the Critic - Solar Activity linked to Climate"
The graph linking to solar activity to climate in the movie may be dated but the creator of the graph has not changed his position with a more recent work (2007). Again unavailable at the time of the documentaries release.
The persistent role of the Sun in climate forcing (PDF) (The Danish National Space Center)
"Over the past 20 years the solar cycle remains fully apparent in variations both of tropospheric air temperature and of ocean subsurface water temperature. [...]When the response of the climate system to the solar cycle is apparent in the troposphere and ocean, but not in the global surface temperature, one can only wonder about the quality of the surface temperature record. For whatever reason, it is a poor guide to Sun-driven physical processes that are still plainly persistent in the climate system. [...]...one cannot distinguish between the effects of anthropogenic gases such as carbon dioxide and of natural greenhouse gases. For example, increased evaporation means that infrared radiation from water vapor, by far the most important greenhouse gas, will tend to provide positive feedback for any global warming, ... In any case, the most recent global temperature trend is close to zero. [...]The continuing rapid increase in carbon dioxide concentrations during the past 10-15 years has apparently been unable to overrule the °attening of the temperature trend as a result of the Sun settling at a high, but no longer increasing, level of magnetic activity. Contrary to the argument of Lockwood and FrÄohlich, the Sun still appears to be the main forcing agent in global climate change."
Unstoppable Solar Cycles (Video) (10min)
There have been extensive scientific studies showing the link between the sun and the climate:
100,000-Year Climate Pattern Linked To Sun's Magnetic Cycles (Dartmouth College)Breathing Cycles in Earth's Upper Atmosphere Linked to Solar Wind Disturbances (University of Colorado at Boulder)Changes in Net Flow of Ocean Heat Correlate with Past Climate Anomalies (University of Rochester)Changes In Sun’s Intensity Tied To Recurrent Droughts In Maya Region (University of Florida)Evidence For Sun-climate Link Reported By UMaine Scientists (University of Maine)Flares From Sun's Far Side May Affect Space Weather Of Inner Planets (Swedish Institute of Space Physics)Greater Solar Activity May Bring United States More Gray Days (NASA)Holes In Sun's Corona Linked To Atmospheric Temperature Changes On Earth (Long Island University)NASA Finds Sun-Climate Connection in Old Nile Records (NASA)NASA Study Finds Increasing Solar Trend That Can Change Climate (NASA)New Analysis Shows Earth's Lower Stratosphere In Synch With Solar Cycle (National Center for Atmospheric Research)Northern Climate, Ecosystems Driven By Cycles Of Changing Sunlight (University Of Illinois)Regional Variation In Warming From Sun During Solar Cycle Shown By Satellite (University of Colorado)Scientists Determine Biological And Ecosystem Changes In Polar Regions Linked To Solar Variability (Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory)Scientists discover surprise in Earth's upper atmosphere (UCLA)Small Fluctuations In Solar Activity, Large Influence On Climate (National Center for Atmospheric Research)Solar Cycle Linked to Global Climate (National Science Foundation)Sun's Direct Role In Global Warming May Be Underestimated, Duke Physicists Report (Duke University)Sun's Magnetic Field May Impact Weather And Climate: Sun Cycle Can Predict Rainfall Fluctuations (University of New England, Australia)Sun's Past Strength Took Toll On Tropical Glaciers, Worsens Today's Outlook (University of Alberta, Canada)Surface Warming And The Solar Cycle (University of Washington)The Sun's Chilly Impact On Earth (NASA)