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Can The CIA Be Stopped By Any President At this Point?

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limitgov Posted: Mon, Apr 11 2011 10:58 AM

Its very clear to most politicians they are a rogue organization at this point.  Can they be stopped by a president at this point?  Or is it too late?

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Bogart replied on Mon, Apr 11 2011 12:02 PM

It is never too late.  If the government of China said something like: "Thats it, we are stopping our purchase of US Government bonds until the US stops aggressing against Libya and Afhanistan." then you would see some action.  But the Chinese are way too smart for that.  They hold the rope that the US and really the entire Western World is using to hang itself.  This was done in the pre-WW2 era by the USA on the British.  Of course the USA endured the Depression just like the Chinese and their inflation, but hey to make an omlet you have to break some eggs.

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Do any of the elected officials really have control over the unelected government?

The CIA, and any other government entity, could fund itself through various means besides the legislative process.  They could also have the means of diverting funds intended to one purpose to go to another.  Thus, they could continue whatever they are doing indefinitely.

The more important question is whether any single person knows and understands the full extent of government's operations.  While the President is the elected official who is supposed to know everything, I would wager that there's quite a bit he wouldn't know for one reason or another.  The difficulting in stopping a known entity is much easier than stopping an unknown entity.

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newson replied on Mon, Apr 11 2011 6:29 PM

the cia and meyer lansky controlled the opium market in the vietnam war. i find it interesting that the allied presence in afghanistan presently has seen this country become world-leader in opium production.  drugs have and could easily be used as a black budget for agencies of the state.  iran contras was another instance.

final judgment has some good stuff on the cia involvement in the vietnam war heroin trade, though the central theme is another.


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Merlin replied on Tue, Apr 12 2011 4:52 AM

Neither the CIA nor any other part of the administration, civil or military. The state is not Congress or the President, it’s the pen-pushers. No one at the top can do much about it. It will have to come down in flames.

The Regression theorem is a memetic equivalent of the Theory of Evolution. To say that the former precludes the free emergence of fiat currencies makes no more sense that to hold that the latter precludes the natural emergence of multicellular organisms.
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I am a firm believer that the politicians are merely puppets to a larger shadowy force that actually pulls the strings. Not all that mystical or anything silly and it is no conspiracy. The politicians have little to no actual power, as has been seen where presidents are assinated very easily when they step on the wrong toes. They are mere figure heads or talking heads, like actors that say what they are told.

When it comes to the military there are many facets but what i call the "show military" the ones that wear all the badges and nice uniforms, they are actually secondary compared to the PMC and intelligence establishment. Then the FBI is also very low and also parts of the CIA are also very low when it comes to power. The ones that run the show can easily change the director of the CIA if they wanted to etc.

So to answer the question, i do not think that the politicians or the governments of any country has any power over the military establishment, as can be observed in many countries when they try to cut the military budget and nothing happens.

“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes… Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”
Napoleon Bonaparte, 1815

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The CIA is above the law....just not above Nico Toscani's law....

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