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Re: TRAILER: Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

socialdtk — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:24:00 GMT

Did anyone see Jay Leno's interview with Michael last night? I agreed with nearly everything he said aside from the fact he was attacking the wrong enemy and that he said, "Capitalism is basically defined by legalized greed."

The majority of the interview however dealt with how cooperations should give every penny they received from the government to the American people despite the financial situation it would put them in. This is a message I can rally behind.

Re: TRAILER: Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

yessir — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:03:54 GMT

"These guys, for all that stuff they've been telling us all these years about, 'Go capitalism! Free market! Free enterprise!' They don't believe in any of that. They don't believe in free enterprise or free market. They want socialism for themselves. They want a handout and a net for themselves. To hell with everybody else, but give it to them. And I think, really, what we're seeing now -- with them, with the banks -- we're seeing the end of capitalism. The end of capitalism as we know it and I say good riddance. It hasn't helped the people or the planet." -- Michael Moore on Larry King Live, Wednesday, November 19th, 2008

So first he realizes that we don't have capitalism, we have socialism for the rich. Then he says lets end capitalism??

Re: TRAILER: Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

yessir — Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:56:27 GMT

I was just told I have to make use of this dirty thing called money to watch his movie, sounds like exploitation to me. His movies should be free because he is just expressing his talents that were given to him, he did nothing to earn them. we should all have free access to his movies.

lol

MatthewWilliam:

Clearly the solution to bribery, cronyism, favouritism and incompetence in politics is the expansion of the political sphere.

Exactly, every person on the left seems to like this line of reasoning.

Re: TRAILER: Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

Poptech — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 02:46:49 GMT

Keith Ackermann:
I wouldn't know how to sell the concept that fairness is not real. It would take the fight out of them before they even had a chance. Do you have kids?

I never said it was not real, I said it was subjective. So is "fairness" subjective or not? Who decides what is "fair"

Keith Ackermann:
I'm not sure what you mean about me caring where people put their money. It's never really crossed my mind... or are you talking about the Citi's offshore subsidiaries? Is that what what they are doing with those subsidiaries now? Tax haven accounts?

I have praise for anyone who can find ways to keep their money from being stolen from them by the IRS.

Re: TRAILER: Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

Libertyandlife — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:03:53 GMT

"The banks have done for capitalism what Bush did for Democracy. Democracy is something parents scare their kids with now. "You mind me! Don't you make me call America! They will bomb your little brown ass right into next week!""

That was put quite well. The last two lines wrapped it all up pretty well. I think the point we should be making to public, or at least an emphasis, is that we oppose when private companies get in bed with the government, as well as being against non productive regulations, and the government in general.

Re: TRAILER: Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

Caley McKibbin — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:14:37 GMT

I doubt that any adult is going to wake up one day an have an intellectual epiphany on their ideal system because of some Moore movie.

Re: TRAILER: Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

Graham Wright — Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:13:50 GMT

Keith Ackermann:
I'm impressed that a habitual criminal enterprise welded to the state can turn around and be so open and honest.

The State is a habitual criminal enterprise. Welcome to mises.org!

Re: TRAILER: Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

Graham Wright — Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:10:57 GMT

Giant_Joe:
I'm going to appreciate this piece of film, as it will show government interventionism as the problem, and a market free of government intervention as the only logical solution.

I applaud you, Mr. Moore!

I am less optimistic. I suspect Moore will conclude that "the free market" (which is what he will wrongly claim is what we've had since Reagan) needs to be controlled. He'll probably suggest nationalising banks, or at least regulating them much more heavily. Calling for caps on bonuses for bankers is very popular at the moment, so I'm sure Moore will jump on that bandwagon.

Re: TRAILER: Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

bigwig — Sun, 06 Sep 2009 09:57:39 GMT

Oh man, I'm going to resist writing paragraphs and totally angsting out here. So, put shortly, I stop to wonder, what wouldn't Moore consider capitalism? Seriously, even the average American might start scratching their head when he mentions clash-for-clunkers. Then again, the stupendous capacity for doublethink always does surprise.

Re: TRAILER: Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

Keith Ackermann — Sun, 06 Sep 2009 09:31:09 GMT

"fairness is a subjective, idealist fantasy..."

I just tried your theory, and you are absolutely correct. I brought home one large piece of cake, and one tiny sliver of cake and gave a piece to each of my boys. They both got cake, which I thought was fair.

I would have responded earlier, but my youngest tasered me again, and it takes a while before I can type. I'm just kidding. I don't even have kids, but if I did, I wouldn't know how to sell the concept that fairness is not real. It would take the fight out of them before they even had a chance. Do you have kids?

I'm not sure what you mean about me caring where people put their money. It's never really crossed my mind... or are you talking about the Citi's offshore subsidiaries? Is that what what they are doing with those subsidiaries now? Tax haven accounts? They used to use them for money laundering, so I guess it's my mistake. I'm impressed that a habitual criminal enterprise welded to the state can turn around and be so open and honest.

Re: TRAILER: Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

IrishLiberal — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 15:02:30 GMT

Michael Moore is an unbelievable clown

Re: TRAILER: Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

Giant_Joe — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:52:47 GMT

I'm going to appreciate this piece of film, as it will show government interventionism as the problem, and a market free of government intervention as the only logical solution.

I applaud you, Mr. Moore!

Re: TRAILER: Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

Andrew Cain — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:11:51 GMT

Stranger:
Did he? He became a famous writer and sold millions of books. We are still arguing about it today.

Sir Alexander Gray in The Socialist Tradition:

But beyond this, there are those who believe in Marx without having read him-perhaps who believe in Marx just because they have no read him. It is probably a safe surmise that to-day the third volume of Capital is even less read than that single chapter which has conferred immorality on the prophet Obadiah, and when read, is read with as little comprehension. Just as, according to some and to judge from their practice, a good Christian need not read his Bible, so a good Marxian does not need to read his Marx: He knows it is there. Thus, for the great body of the faithful, Marx has become the inspired author of a body of Sorelian myths, which sum up, and fit in with, their general view of life, which clarify and illumine their daily strivings, which rationalize and crystallize their instincts...in a world where we all feel so much less fortunate than we think we ought to be, it is comforting to be told that we are right, and to know who is responsible for our unhappiness. This is what Marx did, and here lies the secret of his influence

Re: TRAILER: Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

Ansury — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:09:20 GMT

Conza88:

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Thanks!

Re: TRAILER: Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

zefreak — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 07:41:08 GMT

Keith Ackermann:

I don't understand the attitude toward Moore here. This is a man who hates out government. Did anyone see Fahrenheit 9/11? He stood outside Capitol Hill and tried to sign up the children of congressmen into the service!

A poor argument for liberty is worse than none at all. Any reasonable person would be turned off by his naked populism and appeals to emotion, because it is obviously all he has. I wouldn't be surprised if people turned away from the liberty movement in order to distance themselves from anything tenuously associated with that clown.