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Re: Rand Paul asks Dept. Energy Bureaucrat if she's "Pro-Choice"

nirgrahamUK — Thu, 07 Apr 2011 00:09:36 GMT

>> Why should I? You haven't convinced me of anything. The only thing you've done is legitimized the government's forcing you to use CFL's whether you >>like them or not. So perhaps I should ask you...gonna shut your yap about the Dept. of Energy restricting your choices now?

I've convinced you that we are not worlds apart on issues of pollution; we agree that pollution can be a tort.

The issue of whether CFC *in general* constitute defacto pollution torts on particular people is one we havent even discussed...., so perhaps you are being too hasty with your conclusions.

ou have also completely avoided the challenge I suggested of performing comparative institutional analysis and have satisfied yourself with acknowledging that even stopped clocks are accurate twice a day and that a serial killer can perform acts of kindness.

I am disappoint (in your devils advocate character...)

Re: Rand Paul asks Dept. Energy Bureaucrat if she's "Pro-Choice"

CrazyCoot — Wed, 06 Apr 2011 10:30:01 GMT

We need more role playing like this. It would probably really help people develop debate skills and a better understanding.- Liberty Student

I'm a 10th level DailyKos troll. You want to enslave blacks and force children to work in factories 10 hours a day. You drool for the days when women were beaten and treated as the property of their husbands. You have no regard for the environment and are nothing but lackeys for corporate America.

Re: Rand Paul asks Dept. Energy Bureaucrat if she's "Pro-Choice"

Sieben — Wed, 06 Apr 2011 03:59:23 GMT

I was mulling this over in my head because, like y'all, I thought it was really clever.

What a truly comitted liberal would say though is that child-rearing depends on all sorts of unquantifiable unaccessible things. It requires the parents' cooperation, dedication, etc. Only they can make this judgement, therefore abortion is okay.

However, with lightbulbs, there is an "objectively" right choice. There's an environmentally power-efficient lightbulb that gives off "enough" light and is cheap "enough". Of course this is actually how our regulatory agencies think.

The two scenarios are fundamentally the same. The subjectivity of the former is just weighed more heavily by the liberal tinkerer. You will have a difficult time highlighting the subjectivity of lightbulbs, because it appears to be very simple. Its an incredibly boring path to take.

Re: Rand Paul asks Dept. Energy Bureaucrat if she's "Pro-Choice"

John James — Wed, 06 Apr 2011 01:32:29 GMT

nirgrahamUK:
L: yes the private entity would be infringing on my illegitimate choices to commit torts more efficiently. so going to change that P to an L now?

P: Why should I? You haven't convinced me of anything. The only thing you've done is legitimized the government's forcing you to use CFL's whether you like them or not. So perhaps I should ask you...gonna shut your yap about the Dept. of Energy restricting your choices now?

Re: Rand Paul asks Dept. Energy Bureaucrat if she's "Pro-Choice"

Marko — Wed, 06 Apr 2011 00:33:44 GMT

Very clever from Paul. I don't believe the toilets in his house don't work, but the choice thing was brilliant.

Re: Rand Paul asks Dept. Energy Bureaucrat if she's "Pro-Choice"

liberty student — Wed, 06 Apr 2011 00:23:18 GMT

We need more role playing like this. It would probably really help people develop debate skills and a better understanding.

Re: Rand Paul asks Dept. Energy Bureaucrat if she's "Pro-Choice"

nirgrahamUK — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 23:56:12 GMT

L: yes the private entity would be infringing on my illegitimate choices to commit torts more efficiently. so going to change that P to an L now?

Re: Rand Paul asks Dept. Energy Bureaucrat if she's "Pro-Choice"

John James — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 23:53:09 GMT

P: I suppose you would prefer some private means of rights protection, as well as adjudication and justice adminstration. So how exactly is a private entity preventing you from using that wasteful, polluting piece of technology different from a government doing so? The only difference I see would be your argument that the private entity would be infringing on your choices more efficiently.

Re: Rand Paul asks Dept. Energy Bureaucrat if she's "Pro-Choice"

nirgrahamUK — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 23:35:40 GMT

L: I'm glad you are taking rights seriously, indeed pollution is a problem when it is a infringement of ones rights, polluting someones property is a tort. You are on your way to being a libertarian...

Lets talk about whether a monopolist/bureacratist/predatory organisation that would claim to provide for sollutions to issues of pollution is really the best way to tackle them... hey ever considered anarchy?

Re: Rand Paul asks Dept. Energy Bureaucrat if she's "Pro-Choice"

John James — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 23:26:06 GMT

liberty student:
The Pro Choice position on abortion is a great opportunity to exploit when arguing with progressives. People are either free to choose or they are not.

That setting up a tough turf to play on if you're a pro-life libertarian. It could easily go:

Progressive: Well, you're pro choice on everything else but not on the right to choose?

Libertarian: I'm pro individual liberty. You don't have the right to take the life another individual.

P: Why not?

L: It infringes on their rights.

P: ...Just like your pollution infringes on mine.

Re: Rand Paul asks Dept. Energy Bureaucrat if she's "Pro-Choice"

liberty student — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 23:07:19 GMT

The Pro Choice position on abortion is a great opportunity to exploit when arguing with progressives. People are either free to choose or they are not.

Re: Rand Paul asks Dept. Energy Bureaucrat if she's "Pro-Choice"

John James — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 22:55:44 GMT

I just saw this clip today and remembered the title of this thread. I didn't realize the context of the comment...and I certainly didn't realize the awesomeness of the dialogue...

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Re: Rand Paul asks Dept. Energy Bureaucrat if she's "Pro-Choice"

Jon Irenicus — Sat, 19 Mar 2011 18:15:17 GMT

Trust them to get bogged in a discussion over the toilet rather than the philosophical point Rand is making.

Re: Rand Paul asks Dept. Energy Bureaucrat if she's "Pro-Choice"

Evilsceptic — Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:32:53 GMT

Rand paul reminds me of Reagan, he obviously knows far more than he is saying in order to be electable, I just hope he doesn't end up governing like Reagan too.

Re: Rand Paul asks Dept. Energy Bureaucrat if she's "Pro-Choice"

NonAntiAnarchist — Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:09:32 GMT

I am so glad posters on these forums washed their hands off this petty politician long before he was even elected or was a rising political star.

I have a feeling you didn't actually watch the video...

Anyway, that was pretty epic.