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Re: Just registered for this class

proxyamenra — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 05:32:24 GMT

As an engineer with a second degree in mathematics, people throw money at me. ^_^

Part time contractual work ftw!

Re: Just registered for this class

Kelvin Silva — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 05:05:49 GMT

You dont need classes to learn how to be a computer builder, or to become a programmer, but the thing is, you look better if youre certified/degree.

Though i do hate the concept of certification.

Re: Just registered for this class

Neodoxy — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 04:45:22 GMT

"So you made a post just to bash me, huh? You're such a big person. And an authority on job markets and uses of degrees apparently. What are you trained in?

Have you met people who "play the game"? I'd rather die in the street starving reading Heidegger."

".if you need classes to use basic computer programs you should kill yourself."

Lmao, this is gonna be fun.

Re: Just registered for this class

Aristophanes — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 03:43:27 GMT

That depends on how interested the student is in going the track the business degree leads to. Business degrees can be very lucrative if you're interested in playing the game...and having that kind of career/life.

I can pretty much guarantee your polysci and philo will never offer you any such option. Not even close.

So you made a post just to bash me, huh? You're such a big person. And an authority on job markets and uses of degrees apparently. What are you trained in?

Have you met people who "play the game"? I'd rather die in the street starving reading Heidegger.

There are only so many management positions available at the local burger kings and walmarts for all of the business BA's out there. I think that business degrees are among the most popular. They're over twice as popular social sciences and history. Who wouldn't want to swim with that crowd.

From what I can tell, the business majors (honors) at my university take their senior year to actually start a corporation. The University allows them to work with the law school to develop contracts and business plans for use in the next year. (The business school costs roughly four times what the others do. The law school is even more). Degrees in (Poly Sci, Philo, Soci, Anth, Classics, Eng, et al) "thinking" simply allows prospective employers to know that you are trainable. In other words, rather than going to school to be trained in filing TPS reports, you can go and learn other things, then still get the TPS jobs. The things you need are accounting and communications...if you need classes to use basic computer programs you should kill yourself.

with ur poli sci degree or philosophy degree you can try becoming a teacher. it would be awesome to have an austrian teacher teach the students the truth. though ud have to follow government curriculum....

hahhhaahahahahhahah. You're right.

I'd be ok being a researcher at a University (if they'd have me), but teaching the average little snot about morality or political realism isn't for me.

Honestly, I am hoping to consult for either financials or for energy companies. Obama was a "consultant" at Business International Corp. straight outta college. I can't be sure, but I think what he did there was help monitor and make useful the leftist unions in third world countries to a few big corporations that were moving in. There is private use for political science degrees.

Another thing, Bertrand Russell points out that every science has been derived from philosophy at some point (mathematics, psychology, economics). The real value of philosophy lies in its inherent inquiry of the unknown. People who are thouroughly trained in TPS reports and accounting (probably) aren't going to be thinking outside of the "practical" box; they simply don't know how. There is little "market value" for philosophy, it is meant to be satisfying in the heads of those who study it. Its potential is unlimited indeed.

Re: Just registered for this class

Kelvin Silva — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 03:28:21 GMT

with ur poli sci degree or philosophy degree you can try becoming a teacher. it would be awesome to have an austrian teacher teach the students the truth. though ud have to follow government curriculum....

Re: Just registered for this class

John James — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 03:21:38 GMT

Aristophanes:
To be honest, "business degrees" will take you about as far.

That depends on how interested the student is in going the track the business degree leads to. Business degrees can be very lucrative if you're interested in playing the game...and having that kind of career/life.

I can pretty much guarantee your polysci and philo will never offer you any such option. Not even close.

Re: Just registered for this class

Aristophanes — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 03:14:53 GMT

Unless, you are graduating in a physical science (biology, chemistry, physics, computers, engineering, etc.) you will have almost no use for a degree.

You think scientists have ready jobs? From what I understand it's a profession with tons of uncertainty and low pay.

Um, all I said was that you need a degree for those fields (I should have inculded medicine as well). I made no claim as to the state of their job markets.

It would seem that chemistry and computer science have large and growing job market opportunities.

Re: Just registered for this class

Wheylous — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 03:09:03 GMT

Unless, you are graduating in a physical science (biology, chemistry, physics, computers, engineering, etc.) you will have almost no use for a degree.

You think scientists have ready jobs? From what I understand it's a profession with tons of uncertainty and low pay.

Re: Just registered for this class

Kelvin Silva — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 02:04:14 GMT

Neodoxy +1.

Liberal arts degrees are only if you have enough money and want to take those classes to better yourself. However if you want to get a degree out of highschol for a specific career, dont waste your time on a philosophy degree. That can be learned at home, or later.

Re: Just registered for this class

Neodoxy — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 01:43:39 GMT

Srsly,

Either your getting trained for a fairly specific career, usually in a handful of fields (medicine, computer sciences, engineering) or you're not really going for any real vocational purpose. Liberal arts in particular is 90% crap.

Trade schools and community colleges FTW... Yeah, I'm a massive hypocrite.

Re: Just registered for this class

Aristophanes — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 01:35:27 GMT

"TWO equally useless degrees...not just one."

... You sir, are a man of few misconceptions.

haha, yeah. To be honest, "business degrees" will take you about as far.

Unless, you are graduating in a physical science (biology, chemistry, physics, computers, engineering, etc.) you will have almost no use for a degree.

The arts are for the idle class.

Re: Just registered for this class

Neodoxy — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 01:12:42 GMT

"TWO equally useless degrees...not just one."

... You sir, are a man of few misconceptions.

Re: Just registered for this class

Aristophanes — Fri, 27 Jul 2012 00:06:51 GMT

I'm thinking about getting a 6th class. You have any problems doing 18 credit hours?I'm thinking about getting a 6th class. You have any problems doing 18 credit hours?

I, uhh, yeah, 18 hours would be hard. I am comfortable with so many this time because I know the professor for my senior seminar fairly well. He called me the "resident libertarian" in class last year and some kid used, in his project, a reference with my last name and he thought the kid was referencing me.

Re: Just registered for this class

grant.w.underwood — Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:58:31 GMT

I'm thinking about getting a 6th class. You have any problems doing 18 credit hours?

Re: Just registered for this class

Aristophanes — Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:55:41 GMT

Why are you taking so many philosophy classes? To me it seems that topic can be studied independently if needed. Sorry if I seem judgmental.

I decided to join a concurrent degree program. My polysci degree is done with the senior seminar and I can crank out the Philosophy degree in two semesters. So, I will have two equally useless degrees upon graduation since I can use my gen ed credits for both. TWO equally useless degrees...not just one.

I also used to think that both topics (PolySci and Philo) can be studied by one's self, but have kind of grown out of thinking that I am as perceptive of a reader as I think. There is also the "playing the establishment game" angle that prevents the "rebel" from advancing in the intellectual realm. I want to write this kind of stuff anyway, might as well challenge them in their own arena. Pythagoras used to say that virtue cannot be learned without guidance from the wise. I also have moved away from embracing subjective perception as the be all end all of social interaction.