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Re: Living on Rock Island

Flash — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:00:09 GMT

laminustacitus:

Flash:
So what would you do, if put in such a situation?

Die for my morals.

Very well, but I'm not sure that this very noble act would be replicated accross the population. Actually, I'm going to have to apologise here as I have mis-read the orginal posters question, he asked whether it would be justified/accepted, my answer is no, but that would not prevent it from happening.

Re: Living on Rock Island

laminustacitus — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:49:56 GMT

Flash:
So what would you do, if put in such a situation?

Die for my morals.

Re: Living on Rock Island

Flash — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:13:15 GMT

Stolz25:

Flash:
Well I'd like to think I would try my best to survive. It's an entirely unrealistic scenario however.

I'd like to think I wouldn't kill someone over food, but who knows? Maybe I go crazy with starvation after a while?

None of us here are anywhere near old enough to have lived through really hard times, have you ever even had no shoes? I still maintain that the will to survive is greater than any ideology, but we should try never to be put in a situation where we may find out. Yes, theiving and especially killing for survival is wrong, but given the nightmare-ish circumstances described, it will happen. Nothing can prevent it when the resources of the environment cannot support a population.

Re: Living on Rock Island

Stolz25 — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:07:32 GMT

Flash:
Well I'd like to think I would try my best to survive. It's an entirely unrealistic scenario however.

I'd like to think I wouldn't kill someone over food, but who knows? Maybe I go crazy with starvation after a while?

Re: Living on Rock Island

Flash — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:02:33 GMT

Stolz25:

Flash:
So what would you do, if put in such a situation?

That's impossible to know until you are actually put in such a situation.

Well I'd like to think I would try my best to survive. It's an entirely unrealistic scenario however.

Re: Living on Rock Island

Stolz25 — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:00:14 GMT

Flash:
So what would you do, if put in such a situation?

That's impossible to know until you are actually put in such a situation.

Re: Living on Rock Island

Flash — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:48:03 GMT

nirgrahamUK:

what are you going to do 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours and 30seconds from now?

In 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours and 30 seconds I will be trying my damndest to avoid answering questions.

Re: Living on Rock Island

nirgrahamUK — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:38:18 GMT

what are you going to do 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours and 30seconds from now?

Re: Living on Rock Island

Flash — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:10:57 GMT

laminustacitus:

Flash:
ever heard of 'the will to survive'?

Unlike animals, who are dominated by their instincts, man can die for what he believes to be right. In fact, that's one of the traits exemplifying man from the other members of the animal kingdom. Saying that man must kill, and steal when he is pushed to the limit robs him of his humanity.

So what would you do, if put in such a situation?

Re: Living on Rock Island

Stolz25 — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:10:39 GMT

All I know for sure is this "Rock Island" place sucks.

Re: Living on Rock Island

laminustacitus — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:09:25 GMT

Flash:
ever heard of 'the will to survive'?

Unlike animals, who are dominated by their instincts, man can die for what he believes to be right. In fact, that's one of the traits exemplifying man from the other members of the animal kingdom. Saying that man must kill, and steal when he is pushed to the limit robs him of his humanity.

Re: Living on Rock Island

Flash — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:05:52 GMT

You're telling me that you would rather starve? If ever (God forbid) there is a 'post-apocalyptic nightmare situation', I hope you are one of my competitors for survival.

(I think) The idea of the theoretical situation is that you are pushed to the absolute limit, ever heard of 'the will to survive'?

Re: Living on Rock Island

nirgrahamUK — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:57:32 GMT

Flash:
you would still do it,

evidence?

Re: Living on Rock Island

Flash — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:56:48 GMT

Thedesolateone:

Stolz25:

nirgrahamUK:
i think this is a problem for those that presuppose morality doesnt matter when they face X circumstance.

And you are different? Everyone does this, it's just a matter of degrees. Suppose you wouldn't kill someone for food if you were going to starve (I'd like to think I wouldn't either), but what about just stealing some food from them if you were going to starve? If you wouldn't do that, how about if you're going to starve unless you cross someone's corn field to get to food, and they have a no tresspassing sign up in sight? At some point, you'll violate someone else's rights in order to survive, it's just a question of how important those rights are on your scale.

Begs the question:

What person would watch you starve? I know I wouldn't let someone starve if I could stop it.

Neither would I, but your ability to help depends on whether or not you have the resources to share in the first place.

Re: Living on Rock Island

Flash — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:54:02 GMT

Yes, you would be a rights violator, but if you were in the (bizarre, theoretical) situation described above you would still do it, the situation the OP is enquiring about is 'do or die'. Is is justified? There is no right answer, but you would need to survive. Likewise, anyone being invaded would have a right to protect their property.

Such a situation could only occur when there are not enough resources to support a population and let's face it, the invasion could not occur as (as pointed out earlier) an attack by a starving army could easily be fought off. In fact, so could an army fed exclusively on 'one type of fish'. And what sort of a civilization could settle in such an arid hell-hole as the one described in the first place?