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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>General</title><link>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/27.aspx</link><description>Everything else.</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)</generator><item><title>Re: Evaporative Cooling of Group Beliefs</title><link>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/14486.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:53:13 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:14486</guid><dc:creator>Solredime</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/14486.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=27&amp;PostID=14486</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;ve heard of this whole cognitive dissonance thing before, but this makes it VERY interesting.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks very much for the info.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Evaporative Cooling of Group Beliefs</title><link>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/14399.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 04:07:12 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:14399</guid><dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/14399.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=27&amp;PostID=14399</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;Early studiers of cults were surprised to
discover than when cults receive a major shock - a prophecy fails to
come true, a moral flaw of the founder is revealed - they often come
back stronger than before, with increased belief and fanaticism.&amp;nbsp; The
Jehovah&amp;#39;s Witnesses placed Armageddon in 1975, based on Biblical
calculations; 1975 has come and passed.&amp;nbsp; The Unarian cult, still going
strong today, survived the &lt;a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0SOR/is_n2_v59/ai_20913876/pg_3"&gt;nonappearance of an intergalactic spacefleet&lt;/a&gt; on September 27, 1975.&amp;nbsp; (The &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unarius_Academy_of_Science"&gt;Wikipedia article&lt;/a&gt; on Unarianism mentions a failed prophecy in 2001, but makes no mention of the earlier failure in 1975, interestingly enough.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why would a group belief become &lt;i&gt;stronger&lt;/i&gt; after encountering crushing counterevidence?&lt;/p&gt;
		
					
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				&lt;p&gt;The
conventional interpretation of this phenomenon is based on cognitive
dissonance.&amp;nbsp; When people have taken &amp;quot;irrevocable&amp;quot; actions in the
service of a belief - given away all their property in anticipation of
the saucers landing - they cannot possibly admit they were mistaken.
The challenge to their belief presents an immense cognitive dissonance;
they must find reinforcing thoughts to counter
the shock, and so become more fanatical.&amp;nbsp; In this interpretation, the
increased group fanaticism is the result of increased individual
fanaticism.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was looking at a Java applet which demonstrates &lt;a href="http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/bec/evap_cool.html"&gt;the use of evaporative cooling to form a Bose-Einstein condensate&lt;/a&gt;,
when it occurred to me that another force entirely might operate to
increase fanaticism.&amp;nbsp; Evaporative cooling sets up a potential energy
barrier around a collection of hot atoms.&amp;nbsp; Thermal energy is
essentially statistical in nature - not all atoms are moving at the
exact same speed.&amp;nbsp; The kinetic energy of any given atom varies as the
atoms collide with each other.&amp;nbsp; If you set up a potential energy
barrier that&amp;#39;s just a little higher than the average thermal energy,
the workings of chance will give an occasional atom a kinetic energy
high enough to escape the trap.&amp;nbsp; When an unusually fast atom escapes,
it takes with an unusually large amount of kinetic energy, and the
average energy decreases.&amp;nbsp; The group becomes substantially cooler than
the potential energy barrier around it.&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/bec/evap_cool.html"&gt;Playing with the Java applet&lt;/a&gt; may make this clearer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In Festinger&amp;#39;s classic &amp;quot;When Prophecy Fails&amp;quot;, one of the cult
members walked out the door immediately after the flying saucer failed
to land.&amp;nbsp; Who gets fed up and leaves &lt;i&gt;first?&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp; An &lt;i&gt;average&lt;/i&gt;
cult member?&amp;nbsp; Or a relatively more skeptical member, who previously
might have been acting as a voice of moderation, a brake on the more
fanatic members?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;After the members with the highest kinetic energy escape, the
remaining discussions will be between the extreme fanatics on one end
and the slightly less extreme fanatics on the other end, with the group
consensus somewhere in the &amp;quot;middle&amp;quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And what would be the analogy to collapsing to form a Bose-Einstein
condensate?&amp;nbsp; Well, there&amp;#39;s no real need to stretch the analogy that
far.&amp;nbsp; But you may recall that I used a fission chain reaction analogy
for the affective death spiral; when a group ejects all its voices of
moderation, then all the people encouraging each other, and suppressing
dissents, may internally increase in average fanaticism.&amp;nbsp; (No
thermodynamic analogy here, unless someone develops a nuclear weapon
that explodes when it gets cold.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When Ayn Rand&amp;#39;s long-running affair with Nathaniel Branden was
revealed to the Objectivist membership, a substantial fraction of the
Objectivist membership broke off and followed Branden into espousing an
&amp;quot;open system&amp;quot; of Objectivism not bound so tightly to Ayn Rand.&amp;nbsp; Who
stayed with Ayn Rand even after the scandal broke?&amp;nbsp; The ones who &lt;i&gt;really, really&lt;/i&gt;
believed in her - and perhaps some of the undecideds, who, after the
voices of moderation left, heard arguments from only one side.&amp;nbsp; This
may account for how the Ayn Rand Institute is (reportedly) more fanatic
after the breakup, than the original core group of Objectivists under
Branden and Rand.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A few years back, I was on a transhumanist mailing list where a
small group espousing &amp;quot;social democratic transhumanism&amp;quot; vitriolically
insulted every libertarian on the list.&amp;nbsp; Most libertarians left the
mailing list, most of the others gave up on posting.&amp;nbsp; As a result, the
remaining group shifted substantially to the left.&amp;nbsp; Was this
deliberate?&amp;nbsp; Probably not, because I don&amp;#39;t think the perpetrators knew
that much psychology.&amp;nbsp; (For that matter, I can&amp;#39;t recall seeing the
evaporative cooling analogy elsewhere, though that doesn&amp;#39;t mean it
hasn&amp;#39;t been noted before.)&amp;nbsp; At most, they might have thought to make
themselves &amp;quot;bigger fish in a smaller pond&amp;quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is one reason why it&amp;#39;s important to be prejudiced in favor of tolerating dissent.&amp;nbsp; Wait until substantially &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt;
it seems to you justified in ejecting a member from the group, before
actually ejecting.&amp;nbsp; If you get rid of the old outliers, the group
position will shift, and someone else will become the oddball.&amp;nbsp; If you
eject them too, you&amp;#39;re well on the way to becoming a Bose-Einstein
condensate and, er, exploding.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The flip side:&amp;nbsp; Thomas Kuhn believed that
a science has to become a &amp;quot;paradigm&amp;quot;, with a shared technical
language that excludes outsiders, before it can get any real work done. 
In the formative stages of a science, according to Kuhn, the adherents go to
great pains to make their work comprehensible to outside academics.&amp;nbsp; But (according
to Kuhn) a science can only make real progress as a technical discipline once
it abandons the requirement of outside accessibility, and scientists working in
the paradigm assume familiarity with large cores of technical material in their
communications.&amp;nbsp; This sounds cynical, relative to what is usually &lt;a href="http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/09/applause-lights.html"&gt;said&lt;/a&gt;
about public understanding of science, but I can definitely see a core of truth
here.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My own theory of Internet moderation is that you have to be willing
to exclude trolls and spam to get a conversation going.&amp;nbsp; You must even
be willing to exclude kindly but technically uninformed folks from
technical mailing lists if you want to get any work done.&amp;nbsp; A genuinely
open conversation on the Internet degenerates fast.&amp;nbsp; It&amp;#39;s the &lt;i&gt;articulate&lt;/i&gt;
trolls that you should be wary of ejecting, on this theory - they serve
the hidden function of legitimizing less extreme disagreements.&amp;nbsp; But
you should not have so many articulate trolls that they begin arguing
with each other, or begin to dominate conversations.&amp;nbsp; If you have one
person around who is the famous Guy Who Disagrees With Everything,
anyone with a more reasonable, more moderate disagreement won&amp;#39;t look
like the sole nail sticking out.&amp;nbsp; This theory of Internet moderation
may not have served me too well in practice, so take it with a grain of
salt.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;


			&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/12/evaporative-coo.html"&gt;Source&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;Good thing libertarians are immune to this.&amp;nbsp;&lt;img src="http://mises.com/emoticons/emotion-4.gif" alt="Stick out tongue" /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>