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Re: Do you feel that conesrvatives discredit us?

Juan — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:46:40 GMT

So are you a nihilist or a legal positivist?

sides of the same coin...

Re: Do you feel that conesrvatives discredit us?

Juan — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:44:14 GMT

Dondoolee, I'm sorry but I can't take you seriously. I'll only say : it looks like poptech is a potential member of the stirner church.

Re: Do you feel that conesrvatives discredit us?

William — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:19:54 GMT

Juan:
holiness, virtue, or benevolence
Meaningless subjective gibberish about subjective morality. It doesn't help your (non)argument.

not meaningless when he put them in context and then proceeded to show in a context and then set the defintion.

Re: Do you feel that conesrvatives discredit us?

Capital Pumper — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:42:33 GMT

Poptech:

Laughing Man:
Well here is his legal system in a nutshell. Say I like punching people in the face that I meet. I think that it is good [ moral ]. I walk up to person B and greet them in my face punching action and they say 'Hey I don't like that'. Well what are you going to say in a court case? 'Your honor, my subjective morality is better then his subjective morality....because.....'

Morality is not a legal argument. Morality is still subjective, it is your own personal beliefs of right and wrong. If mine are different than yours, who is right?

So are you a nihilist or a legal positivist?

Re: Do you feel that conesrvatives discredit us?

Juan — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:55:21 GMT

holiness, virtue, or benevolence

Meaningless subjective gibberish about subjective morality. It doesn't help your (non)argument.

Re: Do you feel that conesrvatives discredit us?

Poptech — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:40:56 GMT

The usage of "angels and saints" is common in Judeo/Christian cultures. If you are unfamiliar with it then it will not make any sense.

Angels (defined) - "A person whose actions and thoughts are consistently virtuous."

Saints (defined) - "a person of great holiness, virtue, or benevolence"

Re: Do you feel that conesrvatives discredit us?

Eric — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:37:13 GMT

laminustacitus:
Hopefully, there won't be a law against you. So, there's a bad consequence to the theory; nevertheless, its still far better than the terribly philosophically unsound NAP.

Not it's not. It is absolutely terrible, and far worse than the NAP. First of all, in many cases you would not know if you are reducing the amount of social cooperation is society. Also, practically every criticism of utilitarianism could be refined and applied to this theory. Then there is the fact that different people have different ideas as to what constitutes an increase in "social cooperation" in society.

It is also not true that all thieves reduce the amount of social cooperation in society. Maybe I steal a painting, and the entire community cooperates together in order to return the painting to its rightful owner. In this example, the thief has increased the amount of social cooperation in society.

Re: Do you feel that conesrvatives discredit us?

nirgrahamUK — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:26:08 GMT

Poptech:
No you have not. Nothing you presented supports how Mises defined anarchism.

Mises clearly equated anarchism with lawlessness; and with the absence of insitutions that promote social order.

you think that ancaps are for lawlessness? that institutions that promote social order have no place in ancap society?

so are you calling Mises a moron for mistaking his opponents so shockingly?

Re: Do you feel that conesrvatives discredit us?

nirgrahamUK — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:23:11 GMT

'It would be practicable only in a world of people who are .......' <---(no moral words allowed)

close to god? have the same name as someone from the bible? be people that you lionize? have wings? have not committed any act contrary to the 10 commandments?

Re: Do you feel that conesrvatives discredit us?

Poptech — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:20:40 GMT

liberty student:
I've already answered this.

No you have not. Nothing you presented supports how Mises defined anarchism.

liberty student:
While high time preference can be indicative of a low IQ, you are in fact being dishonest, by skipping the arguments you cannot evade.

Now you are lying, my arguments are constantly evaded and due to your ideological beliefs you don't challenge it when it happens.

liberty student:
Try using reason here. While you still have the opportunity to do so.

"Reason" appears to be only your opinion and when I don't accept your "opinion" I am threatened over and over or lied about.

Re: Do you feel that conesrvatives discredit us?

Poptech — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:15:32 GMT

nirgrahamUK:
hence your quote is absurd

Not at all, the only requirement is to have a rough understanding of Judeo/Christian morality. It does not make it any less subjective. You do not have to hold those beliefs to understand it.

Re: Do you feel that conesrvatives discredit us?

liberty student — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:10:34 GMT

Poptech:
You are making a claim you cannot support

I have already supported it, as has Wilderness earlier this evening.

Poptech:
and then declare me "ignorant" for not believing your unsupported claim.

While high time preference can be indicative of a low IQ, you are in fact being dishonest, by skipping the arguments you cannot evade.

Poptech:
My standards of proof are actual proof not your reinterpretations based on your ideology.

Try using reason here. While you still have the opportunity to do so.

Re: Do you feel that conesrvatives discredit us?

liberty student — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:08:03 GMT

Poptech:
Where does Mises show his use of the word anarchy only applied to socialist anarchists?

I've already answered this.

Re: Do you feel that conesrvatives discredit us?

nirgrahamUK — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:08:02 GMT

Poptech:
Of course someone could "believe" everyone could be angels and saints but myself and Mises would call that naive.

so what if you call it naive? even if you call it naive you still admit the unimpeachable truth of it given your context of unjustifiable and ungrounded subjective morality. hence your quote is absurd. lets see if you can rewrite the quote in a way that doesnt make ludicrous appeals to objective moral standards ok?

'It would be practicable only in a world of people who are .......' <---(no moral words allowed)

Poptech:
The failure of fundamentalists is idealism.

did you miss the bits where Mises goes off on pragmatists and outs himself as being laissez faire fundamentalist passionate about his ideals. he was famous for his uncompromising attitudes. good grief man, know your Mises!

Re: Do you feel that conesrvatives discredit us?

Andrew Cain — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:07:30 GMT

Poptech:
Are you sure you are not talking about me?

Laughing Man:
By the way lam

Are you Iam?