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Re: what happened to the ozone layer?

Caley McKibbin — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:33:07 GMT

lol @ cheap and last minute

Re: what happened to the ozone layer?

Hard Rain — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:28:01 GMT

Caley McKibbin:

Hard Rain:

Lewis du Pont Smith said in a letter to shareholders that this was "the most massive consumer fraud of this century".

In reference to what?

"...regarding the science behind the ozone depletion fraud and the economic forces that pushed for the CFC ban"

Re: what happened to the ozone layer?

Andrew Cain — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:27:29 GMT

Caley McKibbin:
Ozone layer? Pft. Small potatoes. Now it's the end of humanity, according to a TV program that was just on. Next, the planet will spontaneously combust.

(Please visit the site to view this media)

It's so funny when the guy laughs at the little girl.

Re: what happened to the ozone layer?

Hard Rain — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:26:22 GMT

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/06/27/lawrence-solomon-dupont-s-new-game.aspx

Re: what happened to the ozone layer?

Caley McKibbin — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:25:28 GMT

Hard Rain:

Lewis du Pont Smith said in a letter to shareholders that this was "the most massive consumer fraud of this century".

In reference to what?

Re: what happened to the ozone layer?

jmorris84 — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:21:17 GMT

Hard Rain:

As far as I know the monolithic chemical companies got the government to outlaw their CFCs before the patents they had on them expired and developing countries could under-sell them.

Now they have a ton of patents out on new and improved "Ozone-friendly" CFCs so they can maintain their respective government-assisted monopolies.

Crisis averted!

Where can I go to get a more in depth analysis of what you just wrote?

Re: what happened to the ozone layer?

Hard Rain — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:05:55 GMT

Lewis du Pont Smith said in a letter to shareholders that this was "the most massive consumer fraud of this century".

He did give tons of money to the LaRouche movement and was declared mentally unfit to manage his affairs prior to this statement, but I don't think he's far out of the ballpark in any case...

Now we have the anthropogenic climate change fraud which makes the CFC debacle look like a penny-pincher's Ponzi scheme.

Re: what happened to the ozone layer?

Bird — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:09:55 GMT

From Lew Rockwell's site today, the definition of "Plutocracy":

Plutocracy is "a type of government in which effective control rested with men of wealth who sought to use political means to increase their wealth." H. A. Scott Trask, "William Graham Sumner: Against Democracy, Plutocracy and Imperialism (PDF)," 18 Journal of Libertarian Studies (Fall 2004) 1, 10.

Fit's pretty well, doesn't it.

Re: what happened to the ozone layer?

Kakugo — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:42:40 GMT

Hard Rain:

As far as I know the monolithic chemical companies got the government to outlaw their CFCs before the patents they had on them expired and developing countries could under-sell them.

Now they have a ton of patents out on new and improved "Ozone-friendly" CFCs so they can maintain their respective government-assisted monopolies.

Crisis averted!

When I was taking my Organic Chemistry courses back in the days it was the matter for quite a few jokes. The main reason was the patent on Freon was about to expire in the US, India and a few other places. Of course DuPont could have renewed it but it would have cost hundreds of millions (in '80s money). So instead they backed the Montreal Treaty, did public penance for "producing a chemical harmful to our ozone layer" and trotted out the HCF1134a, a new cryogenic gas which was of course "completely safe for our ozone layer". Just look at the figures: back in 1984 DuPont supplied 90% of the coolant gases used in the automotive sector. Right now is 100%.

Then there are still some useful idiots who believe "Global Warming deniers" are "oil company shills"...

Re: what happened to the ozone layer?

Caley McKibbin — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:09:39 GMT

Hard Rain:

As far as I know the monolithic chemical companies got the government to outlaw their CFCs before their patents expired and developing countries could under-sell them.

You mean Dupont and Freon.

Re: what happened to the ozone layer?

Caley McKibbin — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:08:16 GMT

Ozone layer? Pft. Small potatoes. Now it's the end of humanity, according to a TV program that was just on. Next, the planet will spontaneously combust.

Re: what happened to the ozone layer?

Hard Rain — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:07:37 GMT

As far as I know the monolithic chemical companies got the government to outlaw their CFCs before the patents they had on them expired and developing countries could under-sell them.

Now they have a ton of patents out on new and improved "Ozone-friendly" CFCs so they can maintain their respective government-assisted monopolies.

Crisis averted!

what happened to the ozone layer?

William — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:53:08 GMT

When I was in elementry school, the main environmental talk was about the ozone layer. Is this a subject even brought up anymore?