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Re: A Brief Note of thanks to the C.P.

shazam — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:55:15 GMT

Mark B.:

CShirk:

By the way, what is this Constitutional Party I keep hearing about and what is its relationship with the Libertarian Party?

It is actually the Constitution Party. It has no formal relation at all to the Libertarian Party. Here is the link to main site and platform:

http://www.constitutionparty.com/

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

It is not a libertarian or Austrian leaning party. They do promote strict adherence to the Constitution, obviously implied by the name of their party.

However, I do see a scenario where Baldwin becomes the small-l libertarian choice if the LP nominates a non-libertarian, which is quite likely this year. So far, the candidates we have are:

*Bob Barr, who advocates a national sales tax

*Wayne Allyn Root, whose support for waging war on "Islamofascism" made Glenn Beck refer to his platform as "conservative porn"

*George Phillies, the "fair" trader who advocates government regulation in marriage, immigration, roads, etc. and has a disdain for states' rights

*Mike Gravel, who advocates world governance and nationalized health insurance

*Christine Smith, who recently endorsed the federal government's war on child pornography

When it comes down to it, there are only two real libertarians running for the nomination (Ruwart and Kubby), both of whom have little chance at the nomination.

Re: A Brief Note of thanks to the C.P.

Stranger — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:26:27 GMT

JAlanKatz:
I'm not sure what it's worth. It gives right-wing Christian RP supporters an excuse not to consider themselves libertarians.

What is a libertarian if not someone who defends his rights? Building a "pure" Libertarian party is a fantasy. The interests of liberty are general interests, not party interests. It will take a grand confederation of all opposition groups to successfully resist the state. The more opposition parties there are, the better. The problem libertarian activists should be concerned about should not be whom the best candidate for a Libertarian president is, but how to establish a constitution for the confederation of opposition parties.

Re: A Brief Note of thanks to the C.P.

Mark B. — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:07:20 GMT

CShirk:

By the way, what is this Constitutional Party I keep hearing about and what is its relationship with the Libertarian Party?

It is actually the Constitution Party. It has no formal relation at all to the Libertarian Party. Here is the link to main site and platform:

http://www.constitutionparty.com/

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

It is not a libertarian or Austrian leaning party. They do promote strict adherence to the Constitution, obviously implied by the name of their party.

Re: A Brief Note of thanks to the C.P.

CShirk — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:20:59 GMT

scineram:
McCain would be the worst. I still root for Billary.

That would be good only because it might do a lot to convince people how evil government is. People might start remembering the mass murder(s), trampling of property rights, and disregarding of warrant requirements for search and siezure of the last two Billary terms and make the connections.

Edit:

By the way, what is this Constitutional Party I keep hearing about and what is its relationship with the Libertarian Party?

Re: A Brief Note of thanks to the C.P.

scineram — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:34:53 GMT

McCain would be the worst. I still root for Billary.

Re: A Brief Note of thanks to the C.P.

liberty student — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:27:17 GMT

JAlanKatz:
I'm not sure what it's worth. It gives right-wing Christian RP supporters an excuse not to consider themselves libertarians. On the one hand, this is good, since it prevents some public confusion. On the other hand, it means that those folks now have a reason not to look into the books Ron recommended, which is a missed opportunity for them to possibly become libertarians.

Baldwin is a Ron Paul True Believer. If anything, he may pick up the baton and run with it for awhile. Not to mention that anyone is better than W.A.R., the corporate libertarian.

Re: A Brief Note of thanks to the C.P.

Ego — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:12:21 GMT

Since I'll be forced to shake one of your two hands for the next four years, I'd rather shake your right hand.

Re: A Brief Note of thanks to the C.P.

shazam — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:03:32 GMT

Ego:

Obama would exactly the same as McCain on foreign policy and infinitely worse on domestic policy. Plus, he'd get away with anything.

My left hand puppet would be exactly the same as my right hand puppet on foreign policy and infinitely worse on domestic policy. Plus, it'd get away with anything.

Re: A Brief Note of thanks to the C.P.

Ego — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:06:29 GMT

Obama would exactly the same as McCain on foreign policy and infinitely worse on domestic policy. Plus, he'd get away with anything.

Re: A Brief Note of thanks to the C.P.

Ego — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:52:51 GMT

double-post

Re: A Brief Note of thanks to the C.P.

Ego — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:52:15 GMT

Third parties are a miserable waste of time and votes, in my opinion, But more power to them!

Re: A Brief Note of thanks to the C.P.

JAlanKatz — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:51:52 GMT

I'm not sure what it's worth. It gives right-wing Christian RP supporters an excuse not to consider themselves libertarians. On the one hand, this is good, since it prevents some public confusion. On the other hand, it means that those folks now have a reason not to look into the books Ron recommended, which is a missed opportunity for them to possibly become libertarians. Maybe, just maybe, he'll be another conservative pulling votes away from McCain, and maybe, just maybe, that will help elect Obama - who might, probably not but might, be less of a warmonger. Sad state of affairs. It certainly takes away any chance of the LP attracting the right-wingers to add to vote totals, even if Barr is nominated. I am glad to see, though, that the Constitution Party at least isn't as sold out as the LP.

A Brief Note of thanks to the C.P.

Mark B. — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:47:20 GMT

Just a quick thank you to the Constitution Party for NOT nominating arch neo-conservative loony bin Alan Keyes. Thankfully we will be spared his "contribution" to the Presidential race. By the way, they nominated Chuck Baldwin, for whatever that is worth.