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Re: Something funny...

wombatron — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:30:02 GMT

I see... and I guess it's another setback for the blowback theory. It would be better if he didn't conflate "America" with "America's current government," but I guess that is a bit much to expect.

Re: Something funny...

Ego — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:21:07 GMT

wombatron:

I didn't realize that he had said that. All that I heard was a few of the sound-bites. Did he really say "It was fair for innocent American civilians to die because their government has done evil things"?

No, had he come out and said it bluntly, Obama would have dropped out of the race and been under extreme pressure to resign from the senate.

During that sermon (given while the 9/11 fires were still burning), he minimized the attacks by listing all of the evil things that our government has done which resulted in more deaths. Then, by saying "America's chickens have come home to roost", he personifies the entire nation and implies the attacks were justified.

Basically, he's like most standard leftists.

In order to combat rightists' irrational justification for bad American foreign policy, leftists end up displaying irrational justification for any event or policy that is anti-American.

***EDIT: clarity, wow that sucked***

Re: Something funny...

wombatron — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:15:22 GMT

Also, most of the complaints I have heard about it was that he was blaming the government's actions at all, a kind of "How dare he say that what we did help bring this on!" (I'm using the collectivist "we" in this case, because the sort of people that say this are the sort of people that equate government with society as a whole.)

Re: Something funny...

wombatron — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:11:45 GMT

I didn't realize that he had said that. All that I heard was a few of the sound-bites. Did he really say "It was fair for innocent American civilians to die because their government has done evil things"?

Re: Something funny...

Ego — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:55:35 GMT

He went beyond saying that 9/11 is a result of foreign policy! He was minimizing the attacks and implying the victims deserved it, which is incredibly collectivist.

"It was fair for innocent American civillians to die because their govervnment has done evil things!"

Something funny...

wombatron — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:42:20 GMT

One thing that I have found especially amusing this election season is the Rev. Wight-Obama "scandal." What is especially ironic is that Wight was defending a theory of blowback in foreign relations (!), ie: "America's chickens have come home to roost," and other stuff to that effect. And people are freaking out about it! If it was so funny, it would be sad!