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Re: Atheism and Ancap

Eric080 — Fri, 08 Oct 2010 02:20:53 GMT

I agree with the above sentiment. I am a militant atheist

But even saying that, I don't despise people of faith, although I do have a very very strong distaste of their religion. I'll join forces with them against the State, just like I'll join forces with liberal statheists to debunk religion. It depends on the issue.

Re: Atheism and Ancap

MaikU — Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:16:35 GMT

I believe it is much harder to overcome statist religion (the idea, that without the state there will be chaos) than regular one (theism I mean), so all christian/muslim/jewish/whatever religion libertarians and anarchists have my sympathy and support.

Re: Atheism and Ancap

Vitor — Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:23:20 GMT

There are plenty of christian libertarians, plenty of jewish libertarians. Of course depends how the person approach and interpret the teaching of a certain religion, some religions tend to seem less statist than others in general, but as long it's not worshipping the ruler as a god, anarchy won't be a sin.

Re: Atheism and Ancap

Libertyandlife — Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:00:33 GMT

^Okay then, carry on.

Re: Atheism and Ancap

Merlin — Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:52:13 GMT

Libertyandlife:

Sure it Merlin, especially when your speaking of An-Cap, an ideology which is most peaceful and open to all types of people of any beliefs. This is an idea which everyone could adopt, why create exlcusivity or associate it with only atheism? It's plain stupid. Talking about is irrelevant. If it's great for everyone, then don't associate it. That would make you just as bad as conservatives who try to isolate their party or U.S policy to Christians. It's counterproductive. People will look be turned off by that. I mean there's plenty of libertarians and an caps of all different groups. Imagine if I went around saying "Only Muslims should be an cap". If I did, people who were never exposed to it before may think it's a muslim thing. I mean, Jeffrey Tucker doesn't go around talking about Catholicism and an cap being made for each other, and neither does Walter Block with Atheism.

Ancap is good for everyone. I'm sure everyone can see in their own beliefs a reason for voluntary methods. But this association or ideas of exclusivity is nonsense.

The only time I see it as appropriate is if your preaching to people of your own religious beliefs. If your an atheist and talk to atheists in person about the association to bring them towards it, fine.

Seeing as it has gone on for 10 pages, only points to it being a pointless flame war.

I'm alright with everyone who is ancap regaurdless of religious beliefs. It's truly the only way to bring peace in society.

I agree with every word. Yet, the forum is not a public statement. It’s just a place to discuss stuff, which might or might not be crucial to the movement. I can’t recall the number of silly thread I’ve seen and enjoyed here. And many times that about the number of thread trying to analyze the movement itself.

How about thread about the freest county? Does it mean that if you don’t live in Lichtenstein you’re doomed and should not even be on the board? Thus, I believe, most people here do not want this thread to say “theists, screw off”, but just to discuss a topic among ourselves. There’s always a minority though…

Re: Atheism and Ancap

Libertyandlife — Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:21:55 GMT

Sure it Merlin, especially when your speaking of An-Cap, an ideology which is most peaceful and open to all types of people of any beliefs. This is an idea which everyone could adopt, why create exlcusivity or associate it with only atheism? It's plain stupid. Talking about is irrelevant. If it's great for everyone, then don't associate it. That would make you just as bad as conservatives who try to isolate their party or U.S policy to Christians. It's counterproductive. People will look be turned off by that. I mean there's plenty of libertarians and an caps of all different groups. Imagine if I went around saying "Only Muslims should be an cap". If I did, people who were never exposed to it before may think it's a muslim thing. I mean, Jeffrey Tucker doesn't go around talking about Catholicism and an cap being made for each other, and neither does Walter Block with Atheism.

Ancap is good for everyone. I'm sure everyone can see in their own beliefs a reason for voluntary methods. But this association or ideas of exclusivity is nonsense.

The only time I see it as appropriate is if your preaching to people of your own religious beliefs. If your an atheist and talk to atheists in person about the association to bring them towards it, fine.

Seeing as it has gone on for 10 pages, only points to it being a pointless flame war.

I'm alright with everyone who is ancap regaurdless of religious beliefs. It's truly the only way to bring peace in society.

Re: Atheism and Ancap

Laotzu del Zinn — Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:46:02 GMT

Deism is theism without balls

Wanna fight about it?

Re: Atheism and Ancap

Mtn Dew — Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:19:33 GMT

I think it's a bit silly to say that people that believe in God don't believe in liberty. I don't grovel on my knees to a God that dictates how I live. It reminds me of the common argument against libertarianism - that it is a disguise for libertinism.

Re: Atheism and Ancap

MaikU — Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:02:45 GMT

Deism is theism without balls.

Re: Atheism and Ancap

Fluke — Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:49:26 GMT

Some of the answers here have been extremely disappointing ...

There is a difference between theism and deism. I am opposed to theism on principle.As I see it, theism and statism are very much related. It requires people to submit authority to gods and priests or to states and rulers.

You either believe in liberty or you don't. Pick one ffs! I think it is an insult to the ideals of liberty - if you insist on no state and yet grovel on your knees to a God (who dictates and commands how you live). The Abrahamic God is a dictator.

Re: Atheism and Ancap

Logic As Law 1227 — Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:54:10 GMT

I am an atheist simply because there is no proof there is a god. Now this is stating it briefly without a substantiated discussion, but I'm sure that all my reasons are obvious enough correlaries to this statement.

And religion is examened with higher scrutiny simply because of the scope of influence it has gained over the course of time. You have to consider how many brains its rigid and contradictory identity is able to invade. There is death because a book introduces false premises that induce an ignorant reader to conclude that murdering a fellow human being will open a gate to an imperceivable world of infinite contentment, all while this world is removed from identity.

While concepts such as the shuffle board, or psychics, are based upon the same form of mysticism/irrationalism, you cannot equate the effects of their influence with the mass and destruction of religion.

There is no documentation of the process of tanning leading someone to decide that murder is justifyable.

Re: Atheism and Ancap

Merlin — Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:29:02 GMT

Most useless topic ever?

One does not say so lightly of a thread with 359 posts.

Re: Atheism and Ancap

Libertyandlife — Thu, 07 Oct 2010 05:34:26 GMT

Most useless topic ever?

Re: Atheism and Ancap

MisguidedThoughts — Thu, 07 Oct 2010 04:56:57 GMT

It worked for Hayek(agnostic), Block(atheist), Mises(agnostic), and Rothbard(atheist).

Re: Atheism and Ancap

scineram — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:00:32 GMT

Wolf:

Anyone that is searching for a rational explanation for how this whole universe/life works, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_incompleteness_theorems

And stop what you are doing, because there is no rational explanation. The question of whether or not the universe has a rational explanation or description is not even an open question.

I'm on crank alert now.