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Re: Reasons to be hopeful, and why things will be different this time around

Jackson LaRose — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:30:44 GMT

Seph:
Lobby the state to give you more of your neighbors tax dollars

If that's what you want.

Seph:
We don't have it now?

LOL. Not quite.

Seph:
If the United States was heading in a remotely free market direction, I might agree with you.

We'll see how it plays out.

Re: Reasons to be hopeful, and why things will be different this time around

tfr000 — Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:18:02 GMT

NewLiberty:
Free State Project in New Hampshire. About 10,000 have signed up.

Yah? I live in New Hampshire. Where are all of these 10,000 people?

Re: Reasons to be hopeful, and why things will be different this time around

Seph — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:30:44 GMT

Jackson LaRose:
You think the average Joe is that politically principled? They just want to be satisfied.

And what's the easiest way to be satisfied in politics? Lobby the state to give you more of your neighbors tax dollars.

Jackson LaRose:
If the masses wanted socialism that bad, we'd have it by now.

We don't have it now?

Jackson LaRose:
So why are so many against the healthcare bill? Why did the bailout fail the first time around? You underestimate your peers.

If the United States was heading in a remotely free market direction, I might agree with you.

Re: Reasons to be hopeful, and why things will be different this time around

Jackson LaRose — Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:39:26 GMT

Seph:
"The masses" are unsatisfied because they haven't seen enough socialism yet

You think the average Joe is that politically principled? They just want to be satisfied. If the masses wanted socialism that bad, we'd have it by now.

Seph:
Being 'unsatisfied' with your country is one thing; being unsatisfied with your country and seeking to cure it with a free market, is something else entirely.

So why are so many against the healthcare bill? Why did the bailout fail the first time around? You underestimate your peers.

Re: Reasons to be hopeful, and why things will be different this time around

Conza88 — Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:38:11 GMT

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Re: Reasons to be hopeful, and why things will be different this time around

Michelangelo — Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:01:03 GMT

I regain my hope for the future when I look at these two screen shots I took of a certain image board a few weeks ago.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/6666/hmmi.png

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5599/whatthe.png

Re: Reasons to be hopeful, and why things will be different this time around

wilderness — Wed, 24 Feb 2010 02:26:08 GMT

I get what Seph and DD5 are saying, but sometimes I think all that I have is optimism left in me to lift my spirit up. And I'm not being over-confident or overly -positive blinded to a reality that is really all bad and sad. I think you two may be right, but without that extra umph to get me going so I remain healthy physically and mentality I can only roll with the punches. If it's a police state, then so be it. If I die, so what. Why would I want to continue living in a world that gets to be so disturbing. Suffering would be the worst. Seeing something happen to my family or watch my three year old son grow up into a complete and utter senselessness would really hurt me almost more than anything. I could care less what happens to me. It may hurt and I'll suffer, but if I had to watch something happen to my son who's not old enough to even get it yet, and to see his wonderful world go to the shitters when he's having so much fun and saying the cutest and most unique things every day, I shutter to think. He wouldn't even realize what the hell is happening. He's in his happy-go-lucky world right now and I'd hate to see it screwed up. But honestly, what else is there if not optimism. If everybody gets down, then for a FACT it will NEVER change. It does more harm than good. It's not getting caught up in thinking that what we dream of is a fantasy, something that will never happen. Maybe it won't happen. But in misery you live the nightmare before it even ever gets here. I'm not living in a nightmare any longer than I need to, so, I'm not going to be the first one to make me feel terrible. I'll wait til somebody else tries to do that to me.

Re: Reasons to be hopeful, and why things will be different this time around

Seph — Wed, 24 Feb 2010 02:12:51 GMT

DD5:
On this issue, I find myself not as optimistic as others. What will prevent governments from eventually controlling all of this information? It seems that it is only a matter of time.

Unfortunately, I am in complete agreement.

To be honest, I see our only future as a police state.

Jackson LaRose:
The "powers that be" are looking more powerless and ineffective by the day, to the masses.

"The masses" are unsatisfied because they haven't seen enough socialism yet.

Being 'unsatisfied' with your country is one thing; being unsatisfied with your country and seeking to cure it with a free market, is something else entirely.

Re: Reasons to be hopeful, and why things will be different this time around

Esuric — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:47:26 GMT

JosephBright:
Even democrats are starting to realize that Obama sold them out.

Yes because he's not socialist enough. This is a bad thing. They want 100% income taxes on the rich (and bonuses), a nationalization of both the banking and health care sectors, and the destruction of contract law (so that the banks can "renegotiate" mortgages).

Re: Reasons to be hopeful, and why things will be different this time around

JosephBright — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:39:56 GMT

Okay, back on topic:

Even democrats are starting to realize that Obama sold them out.

Re: Reasons to be hopeful, and why things will be different this time around

Jackson LaRose — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:13:40 GMT

DD5:
They are authorized to shoot down any flying machine not licensed and authorized to fly.

Jeez, it was a joke. You know, you'd probably feel a lot better if you had the artwork from a good Floyd album as an avatar. Here you go:

Re: Reasons to be hopeful, and why things will be different this time around

JosephBright — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:09:49 GMT

DD5:

Jackson LaRose:

JosephBright:
I could download and store all of Mises.org onto a tiny flash card, which can be hidden easily. How can they control that?

Or go "helicopter Ben", and burn 10,000 DVD-R's and aerially distribute.

They are authorized to shoot down any flying machine not licensed and authorized to fly.

Which will only make them look bad in the eyes of the people. Look at how many people distrusted the government after Waco.

Re: Reasons to be hopeful, and why things will be different this time around

JosephBright — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:07:20 GMT

DD5:

JosephBright:
I could download and store all of Mises.org onto a tiny flash card, which can be hidden easily. How can they control that?

No, but how will you distribute? door to door? Distribution is the major issue.

I don't think it is ever going to get as bad as you are implying, but if it did, we have history to guide us. How did people distribute such information in the past under oppressive regimes? Answer: The underground, and black markets. Think of how Animal Farm gained a readership in the Soviet Union. Remember, governments are inefficient at most everything, censorship included. If there is a demand, the (black) market will find a way.

Re: Reasons to be hopeful, and why things will be different this time around

Esuric — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:06:59 GMT

JosephBright:
Add your own!

We're right.

Re: Reasons to be hopeful, and why things will be different this time around

DD5 — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:01:58 GMT

Jackson LaRose:

JosephBright:
I could download and store all of Mises.org onto a tiny flash card, which can be hidden easily. How can they control that?

Or go "helicopter Ben", and burn 10,000 DVD-R's and aerially distribute.

They are authorized to shoot down any flying machine not licensed and authorized to fly.