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Re: Free City Project: Auburn?

kiba — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:12:03 GMT

Stranger:

kiba:

The more money you get to keep, the more you can exert an influence over an area, and the more successful libertarian oriented enterprises will be.

If you're going to reject the law, you can keep all your money.

The cost of rejecting the law is going to be high as an early pioneer anarchist. Nonetheless, someone will need to start a chain reaction.

Re: Free City Project: Auburn?

Live_Free_Or_Die — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:18:42 GMT

I don't think you can really select an area until there is some idea of how many people are interested and obtain input from the interested parties. If it is not a lot of people Keene might make sense. If there are many people interested somewhere else might make more sense.

Re: Free City Project: Auburn?

Stranger — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:57:55 GMT

kiba:

The more money you get to keep, the more you can exert an influence over an area, and the more successful libertarian oriented enterprises will be.

If you're going to reject the law, you can keep all your money.

Re: Free City Project: Auburn?

JosephBright — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:44:34 GMT

Spideynw:

What about Keene, NH? freekeene.com

Yeah, it would probably make more sense to choose a city in NH.

Re: Free City Project: Auburn?

Spideynw — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 19:50:58 GMT

What about Keene, NH? freekeene.com

Re: Free City Project: Auburn?

JosephBright — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 19:49:06 GMT

Okay, so it seems like Auburn is a bit unrealistic. Any ideas of a city with the following characteristics:

- Not landlocked, preferably has a port

- Small population, no greater than 50,000

- Low taxes, etc.

- Cheap housing

Re: Free City Project: Auburn?

kiba — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:37:00 GMT

Stranger:

Fred Furash:

How does Texas sound? afaik they have no corporation tax, fairly varied weather zones, good gun laws (which would make PDAs easier to organise), and are net exporters of oil.

If you're going to become a secessionist, why do you care what the local laws and tax rates are?

The more money you get to keep, the more you can exert an influence over an area, and the more successful libertarian oriented enterprises will be.

Libertarian entrepeneurship will win the day, not libertarian politics.

Re: Free City Project: Auburn?

Solredime — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:35:47 GMT

Stranger:

If you're going to become a secessionist, why do you care what the local laws and tax rates are?

Because as Joseph said, secession doesn't just happen overnight, you need to build up businesses that provide alternatives to government services, and only then secede when the opportune time comes (e.g. when the State goes bankrupt, or during the next recession, or since they may coincide, during both). Otherwise your anarchy will just start up as chaos, and how many people will you win over to the cause then?

Re: Free City Project: Auburn?

Stranger — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:00:01 GMT

Fred Furash:

How does Texas sound? afaik they have no corporation tax, fairly varied weather zones, good gun laws (which would make PDAs easier to organise), and are net exporters of oil.

If you're going to become a secessionist, why do you care what the local laws and tax rates are?

Re: Free City Project: Auburn?

Solredime — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:49:07 GMT

How does Texas sound? afaik they have no corporation tax, fairly varied weather zones, good gun laws (which would make PDAs easier to organise), and are net exporters of oil.

Re: Free City Project: Auburn?

Stranger — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:05:21 GMT

Live_Free_Or_Die:

No offense to Mises but I think selecting a city solely based on where Mises is located is illogical.

Worse than illogical, it's dangerous. If the attempt fails, the Mises Institute will be destroyed.

Re: Free City Project: Auburn?

Merlin — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:08:28 GMT

JosephBright:
Precisely. In other words, they discovered that the costs of governing the colonies outweighed the potential benefits, and they gave up. A group of people in a city that is considering secession can take measures to ensure that the costs of the state reasserting dominance over the city comes at a high cost, and therefore, act as a deterrent. This was my point from the beginning. It doesn't even have to be military in nature. For instance, a well-directed PR campaign could paint the state in a very negative light if they try to regain control over the city. Or the secession could be undertaken during a time when the state is broke, and can't finance the retaking of the city.

That’s basically the reason why no one thinks about invading Switzerland: difficult to hold, difficult to get, and an asset even if independent (free trade and all).

Re: Free City Project: Auburn?

JosephBright — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:11:32 GMT

Live_Free_Or_Die:

No offense to Mises but I think selecting a city solely based on where Mises is located is illogical.

Perhaps.

Re: Free City Project: Auburn?

Live_Free_Or_Die — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:08:07 GMT

No offense to Mises but I think selecting a city solely based on where Mises is located is illogical.

Some logical considerations could be:

1) State constitution. Lack of state income or other oppressive state taxes.

2) Legal structure of local governments and powers delegated in state law to counties and municpalities.

3) Climate and/or resources.

4) Market access (ports, airports, roads, etc.)

5) Size of population in relation to size of mover pool.

Why not cherry pick to the greatest extent possible if it is to be a voluntary choice?

Re: Free City Project: Auburn?

Jackson LaRose — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 06:28:03 GMT

I've been to Alabama, and I've been to New Hampshire. Just from a superficial perspective, I'd rather live in NH any day. Someday, either the FSP, or the 2nd Vermont Republic, as soon as the house is payed off.