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Re: DC Animated movies/tv shows and leftism

MB — Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:51:26 GMT

abskebabs:

On that note I'm not sure, but Steve Ditko the original artist and co-creator of Spiderman is a big fan Ayn Rand, and I think is a libertarian, though I'm not sure how significant this has been on his work.

Actually, his Objectivist view point affected a lot of his later works. It started to have an impact on his later Spiderman work (as he started to script it).

His Blue Beetle and Question work (especially the Question) at Charlton had Objectivist overtures.

His Creeper and Hawk & Dove work at DC also has it, as his later Shade series at DC.

His independent work really shows his Objectivist views: Mr. A, Avenging World, Static, Mocker, etc., including the new stuff he is still doing.

Re: DC Animated movies/tv shows and leftism

kiba — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:10:29 GMT

JonBostwick:

von Vodka:
But wasn't his daddy the Warren Buffet Leftist type who said it's his moral obligation to give away his wealth? (At least that's what I remember from the movie.)

In the movie, but thats not really core to Batman.

He is just a doctor. He leave the running of Wayne corporation to more interested, competent men.

Re: DC Animated movies/tv shows and leftism

Bostwick — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 05:16:47 GMT

von Vodka:
BTW, I don't know anything about comics nor have I seen the movie, but how is Iron Man pro-capitalist?

Its about a capitalist, though I wouldn't say it is pro-capitalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man#Publication_history

von Vodka:
But wasn't his daddy the Warren Buffet Leftist type who said it's his moral obligation to give away his wealth? (At least that's what I remember from the movie.)

In the movie, but thats not really core to Batman.

Re: DC Animated movies/tv shows and leftism

Bostwick — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 05:15:42 GMT

From wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man

Iron man is about a capitalist, though I wouldn't call it pro capitalist.

Iron Man's premiere was a collaboration among editor and story-plotter Stan Lee, scripter Larry Lieber, story-artist Don Heck, and cover-artist and character-designer Jack Kirby. In 1963, Lee had been toying with the idea of a businessman superhero.^[2] He wanted to create the "quintessential capitalist", a character that would go against the spirit of the times and Marvel's readership.^[3] Lee said, "I think I gave myself a dare. It was the height of the Cold War. The readers, the young readers, if there was one thing they hated, it was war, it was the military ... So I got a hero who represented that to the hundredth degree. He was a weapons manufacturer, he was providing weapons for the Army, he was rich, he was an industrialist ... I thought it would be fun to take the kind of character that nobody would like, none of our readers would like, and shove him down their throats and make them like him ... And he became very popular."^[4] He set out to make the new character a wealthy, glamorous ladies' man, but one with a secret that would plague and torment him as well.^[5] Writer Gerry Conway said, "Here you have this character, who on the outside is invulnerable, I mean, just can't be touched, but inside is a wounded figure. Stan made it very much an in-your-face wound, you know, his heart was broken, you know, literally broken. But there's a metaphor going on there. And that's, I think, what made that character interesting".^[4] Lee based this playboy's looks and personality on Howard Hughes,^[6] explaining, "Howard Hughes was one of the most colorful men of our time. He was an inventor, an adventurer, a multi-billionaire, a ladies' man and finally a nutcase".^[7] "Without being crazy, he was Howard Hughes," Lee said.^[4]

Re: DC Animated movies/tv shows and leftism

jmorris84 — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 04:21:44 GMT

Not to mention, Bruce Wayne got all the babes.

Re: DC Animated movies/tv shows and leftism

bloomj31 — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 04:16:45 GMT

I dunno, his father built Wayne Enterprises and Bruce is a billionaire so he couldn't have wanted to give it all away. Either way, private charity is supposed to be a good thing.

Re: DC Animated movies/tv shows and leftism

von Vodka — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 04:10:58 GMT

bloomj31:

JonBostwick:

http://mises.org/daily/2583

"For the same reason, the left has always hated Batman, the aristocrat of inherited wealth whose powers are not granted but built by private innovation."

But wasn't his daddy the Warren Buffet Leftist type who said it's his moral obligation to give away his wealth? (At least that's what I remember from the movie.)

BTW, I don't know anything about comics nor have I seen the movie, but how is Iron Man pro-capitalist?

Re: DC Animated movies/tv shows and leftism

bloomj31 — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 04:03:09 GMT

JonBostwick:

http://mises.org/daily/2583

"For the same reason, the left has always hated Batman, the aristocrat of inherited wealth whose powers are not granted but built by private innovation."

Re: DC Animated movies/tv shows and leftism

Bostwick — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 03:49:11 GMT

http://mises.org/daily/2583

Re: DC Animated movies/tv shows and leftism

abskebabs — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:58:18 GMT

Dondoolee:

Does Marvel have this problem?

On that note I'm not sure, but Steve Ditko the original artist and co-creator of Spiderman is a big fan Ayn Rand, and I think is a libertarian, though I'm not sure how significant this has been on his work.

Re: DC Animated movies/tv shows and leftism

William — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 22:59:57 GMT

bloomj31:

on a side note, is superman left wing?

It really depends on who is writing him. He has some awesome story lines though, I usually get a little irked when some one uses Superman as a "goodie two shoe" foil (which is usually a "right wing" stance) so a "badass" hero (usually showing a leftish stance) can show how boring/wrong he is. It is a fairly common tactic, though (fortunately) not too prevalent in the DC animated universe.

Re: DC Animated movies/tv shows and leftism

bloomj31 — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 22:49:05 GMT

on a side note, is superman left wing?

Re: DC Animated movies/tv shows and leftism

jmorris84 — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 22:20:56 GMT

Re: DC Animated movies/tv shows and leftism

bloomj31 — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 19:48:12 GMT

Daniel Muffinburg:

The cops are always late and incompetent or corrupt.

The cops are also bound by rules whereas Batman is not.

Re: DC Animated movies/tv shows and leftism

William — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 19:24:26 GMT

That's not really a sign of being "pro right"