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Re: Does Gov't Subsidize Obesity?

CoolUserName — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 15:18:54 GMT

I don't know about type-II food allergies, but I still think eating and exercise habits have everything do to with weight control and nothing else including genes. Excess consumption of almost anything will make a person sick and cause other health problems.

Re: Does Gov't Subsidize Obesity?

G8R HED — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:24:53 GMT

Caley McKibbin:

In fact, ones weight is determined to a large extent by genetics.

Rubbish. You can only gain weight by taking in more calories than you use. You still have 100% control over whether you gain at all.

I don't know if anyone can ever have 100% control of anything, including one's weight. I do know that with correct knowledge weight and health can be maintained so far as it is within our control to do so.

One of the major ways government fails concerning weight and health is ACCESS to correct knowledge. I think that is the issue.

One facet of knowledge access concerning health and weight is type-II food allergies. The AMA and FDA deny or downplay the effects of type-II food allergies, the testing proceedures, and available controls and cures.

Type-II food allergies are not like those food allergies that cause instant distress or anaphalactic shock.....although some type-II food alergies can be noticed immediately. The effects are long-term and include most of the serious weight problems and diseases that govenment-approved health practices only treat with the introduction of more poisons into the body. A body does not have hight cholesterol because it is lipitor-deficient.

What would govenmet-sanctioned medicine do if it acknowledged that major health issues like obesity, diabetes, ADD, phsychosis, heart disease, autism, alzheimers, cancers and more are conditions which are preventable by identifying and treating type-II food allergies?

A partucular manifestation of type-II ffood allergies is what is known as 'leaky gut'. Leaky gut prevents the absorbsion of proper nutruients. Food is instead converted to sugars and fats because food allergies prevent proper digestion. Weight gain, inflamation, persistent hunger and overeating, and all manner of maladies result from the lack of nutrion. Trouble sleeping at night? Adrenal disfucntion and disruption of a body's normal cortisol cycle can be a direct result of the lack of nutrition brought on by leaky gut.

There is so much more to obesity and health that is a direct result of the government's prohibiton on correct knowledge concerning health. The main prohibition is that only doctors are capable of receiving and disbursing such knowledge. What is it that makes doctors exclusive repositories of health knowledge?

Re: Does Gov't Subsidize Obesity?

CoolUserName — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:41:43 GMT

The "genetics" argument is pure malarchy. Is Usain Bolt genetically "gifted" to run fast? Or did training 5+ hours a day do the trick? How about Yo-yo Ma or other virtuoso musicians? Did their tireless practice day in and day out make them talented? Or were they playing beethoven and other classics perfectly since they were babies?

No or low carb isn't necessary to weight loss. Neither is no-fat or starvation. In fact completely cutting off all fats or food will make the problem worse. Whole grains, rich in fiber are fine at certain times like early morning or after exercise in moderation. 5-8 smaller, balanced meals throughout the day works well along with exercise.

I think it would be great if gov't employees, politicians, and bearucrats were forced to maintian a certain body fat percentage as I outlined in an earlier post or be let go. Businesses should also be able to hire, fire, or serve based on if a person is overweight as well. For example, apartment complexes should be able to reject an application or terminate a lease based on someone being overweight as well.

Re: Does Gov't Subsidize Obesity?

Caley McKibbin — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 06:19:04 GMT

Well then what do you make of the dozens of studies referenced in his book (many quite small in scale, but still) that show that high fat diets lead to weight loss, and high fat diets lead to much higher weight loss than low fat diets with equal caloric intakes? And do so with much lower (or nonexistant) levels of hunger, whereas low fat diets that are not very high in calories always lead to hunger?

That is not pertinent to what I said. But, for the record, that is old news. A fat molecule has like 25-100 times the calories of a sugar molecule. But you need fat to burn calories at all, supposedly.

Re: Does Gov't Subsidize Obesity?

Jon Irenicus — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 05:59:54 GMT

Yes, obviously that is why. Not because it's a monopoly on force...

Re: Does Gov't Subsidize Obesity?

wolfman — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 05:57:00 GMT

Obviously they do. They subsidize and sponsor all kinds of evils on us. Not because government is ineffective or evil but because government has been sold to private hands.

Re: Does Gov't Subsidize Obesity?

WisR — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 05:35:43 GMT

I've heard all of this bunk before. Being hungrier does not change the fact that you control calorie intake. This is just a typical attempt at shifting responsibility for health from fat people to evil Big Food. I have never known one obese person with a balanced diet. I have known plenty of people who stopped being obese by changing that.

Taubes conclusion that hunger is a simple function of cellular demand is junk. Just about everything affects hunger. One of those things is exercise. But, opposite to what he claims, it decreases hunger. If he ever exercised his own flabby ass he would know that.

Well then what do you make of the dozens of studies referenced in his book (many quite small in scale, but still) that show that high fat diets lead to weight loss, and high fat diets lead to much higher weight loss than low fat diets with equal caloric intakes? And do so with much lower (or nonexistant) levels of hunger, whereas low fat diets that are not very high in calories always lead to hunger?

Re: Does Gov't Subsidize Obesity?

WisR — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 05:31:58 GMT

I believe the government also subsidizes obesity by subsidizing corn, which a) results in high-fructose corn syrup in just about everything and b) makes fast food cheaper because they use corn as a major ingredient.

Especially when high-fructose corn syrup may be much more fattening than sugar, what with Princeton's new research on rats:

http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/index.xml?section=topstories

Re: Does Gov't Subsidize Obesity?

Jon Irenicus — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 03:54:53 GMT

I've never analysed it much but when at university I tend to reduce my food in take a lot, to around 1000 calories at most per day (and usually walk fast 3x week for 30 mins or so, so I don't really exercise much), and tend to fall to 150 lbs at 6ft1. I rise to around 165 lbs if I double that. It's not a huge fluctuation, and what I eat is mostly junk/ready food (including prepared salads and the like.) So I do wonder if that view on calories is correct. That said, the weight gain/loss tends to stop at points (hence the 150 - 165 lb range.) It also occurs in 1 - 2 months. High metabolism I guess. <.<

Re: Does Gov't Subsidize Obesity?

SirThinkALot — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 03:07:17 GMT

I dunno about before she met me, but when I met my ex she was definetly taking the 'weght loss' thing seriously. She'd run with me every day(I run at least three miles every day, most days more). And she didnt eat any pop/candy/potato chips or anything like that. When she went to the low carb diet, she stuck with it.

I never bother anybody about their weight(high or low), because, regardless of the reasons, its none of my business. I probably would be considered 'overweight' if I ever bothered to weigh myself, but I dont because I dont care. I know I work to care for myself, and I'm perfectly healthy.

Re: Does Gov't Subsidize Obesity?

nirgrahamUK — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 03:01:32 GMT

I was going for rhetorical flair over analyzing you :-)

yer alright

Re: Does Gov't Subsidize Obesity?

Caley McKibbin — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 02:56:24 GMT

I don't. I just find it comical that everyone is either too fat or too thin.

Re: Does Gov't Subsidize Obesity?

nirgrahamUK — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 02:54:16 GMT

there is something wrong with you....

you care what people think about your weight

Re: Does Gov't Subsidize Obesity?

Caley McKibbin — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 02:47:50 GMT

I still think it best to ignore weight, and focus on good healthy action(avoid processed grains/sugars, excersize regularly, limit drinking and smoking etc)

Funny thing is... I never bother fat people about their weight, yet fat people are always making jokes about my low weight. I do fitness training daily. I'm 5' 7.5", 115-120 lbs. Everyone thinks there is something wrong with me.

Re: Does Gov't Subsidize Obesity?

Caley McKibbin — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 02:45:05 GMT

I know lots of people that have "tried" to lose weight. Meaning they eat x bags of candy instead of y bags of candy per day. I don't care how fat people are. I just can't stand the BS. They say they are gonna do something and then there's a perpetual train of excuses. They jog for 10 minutes... then "reward" themselves with a chocolate bar. You find a bag of candy. It was for someone else. I'll start caring about what biochemists have to say when fat people start getting serious. Until then, fat people are fat because they choose to be.