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Re: "Don't make any loud sounds around the Mises Institute..."

Conza88 — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:58:57 GMT

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lmao.

Re: "Don't make any loud sounds around the Mises Institute..."

Lagrange multiplier — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:45:08 GMT

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Re: "Don't make any loud sounds around the Mises Institute..."

Lagrange multiplier — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:44:27 GMT

Let's be up front and honest here: if I am able to freely access and use a web forum from LvMI and if the forum is populated by its fans (which includes me), why would I "troll"? If you read my contributions, I actually think I share some intelligent viewpoints and always try to debate nicely (with one exception to liberty student).

I find any mention of LvMI interesting--whether from an admirer or a naysayer. I like seeing links, praise, or hostility. I just like seeing LvMI thrown into the mix. Maybe I'm the only one, but if so, just let the thread die. There's no need to run in here, call me a "troll," tell me I'm insulting LvMI, and just generally act... what's the word... paranoid?

Are Kuehn's criticisms solid? No way. But so what? Frankly, the response here does more to support Kuehn's point than not.

Regular readers of Kuehn's blog could easily turn the tables: he gets paranoid every time someone ridicules Keynesianism.

But, honestly, if Keith Olbermann or someone ranted about LvMI one night, I'd share that YouTube clip, too. I still find any mention interesting.

P.S. Furthermore, drawing attention to a well-known blogger's anti-LvMI post allows all of you to respond to that post's comments.

Re: "Don't make any loud sounds around the Mises Institute..."

Conza88 — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 05:01:37 GMT

"This is the type of crap that Austrians and libertarians have to deal with on a regular basis.

Individuals, for whatever reason, think that marginalizing an ideology somehow refutes it. But to refute an ideology you need to show that its arguments are fallacious/deduced from incorrect premises."

. But hey, at least we have it better than Socrates or Giordano Bruno.

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Re: "Don't make any loud sounds around the Mises Institute..."

Sukrit — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 03:54:14 GMT

It's true, the folks at the LvMI see the world differently. In general, I've found they take a more realist approach to politics and understand how power elites pull strings behind the scenes. Naturally, such an understanding leads to undisguised hostility and anger towards the State and its agents. The author labels this "paranoia" because he doesn't understand what motivates this suspicious attitude. However this is merely a marketing problem, and a matter of tone not substance.

The video Lilburne criticized has over 20,000 views, which is a lot given the dry subject matter. So it's entirely appropriate to put forward a rebuttal. It'd be different if the video had 100 views. In that case, I'd have advised him to focus on bigger fish.

I think it's better to invest time criticizing the published work of people like Paul Krugman, John Quiggin etc. but each to his own. Not everyone is the same, the world would be a boring place if it were. We need to reach the people on ALL levels, scholarly and non-scholarly.

Re: "Don't make any loud sounds around the Mises Institute..."

Esuric — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 03:09:54 GMT

There's not a single ounce of substance in this garbage. This guy tries to refute Grayson without actually refuting him, and chooses to mock Jeffery Tucker rather than actually dealing with his argument.

Lilburne makes some good points - the video was a little sloppy on some claims. The thrust of the video, though, is fine and similar to points I've made on here.

Fantastic. It's fine because he says its fine.

This is the type of crap that Austrians and libertarians have to deal with on a regular basis. Individuals, for whatever reason, think that marginalizing an ideology somehow refutes it. But to refute an ideology you need to show that its arguments are fallacious/deduced from incorrect premises.

Neoclassical, why even post this crap? What's the purpose of this?

Re: "Don't make any loud sounds around the Mises Institute..."

jtucker — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:01:27 GMT

I really don't get this guy. A major feature of central banks is that they never take responsibility for inflation. they claim to be the inflation fighters. Ben here demonstrates the point, pushing all responsibility over to the public. This is hardly a new tendency. This guy acts like he was born yesterday.

Re: "Don't make any loud sounds around the Mises Institute..."

Daniel James Sanchez — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 01:43:47 GMT

Daniel Muffinburg:

Lilburne criticized an old Youtubez video? Oh noes!

Indeed I don't see how doing so makes me paranoid. It just happened to catch my attention a long time ago, I wrote up a shorter response to it here in the forum back then, and I thought I'd flesh it out a bit and post it on the blog. What's the big deal?

Re: "Don't make any loud sounds around the Mises Institute..."

DanielMuff — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 01:13:04 GMT

Lilburne criticized an old Youtubez video? Oh noes!

Re: "Don't make any loud sounds around the Mises Institute..."

Lagrange multiplier — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:41:41 GMT

To state that "if we posted every blogger up here who insulted LvMI we'd have nothing else to talk about" implies that it happens frequently--you know, kind of like "if I had a nickel for every time a blogger insulted the LvMI."

Either way, if a thread is boring, then don't respond and move on. That's what I do (especially in "General," where I find the most trivial contributions).

Re: "Don't make any loud sounds around the Mises Institute..."

filc — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:37:15 GMT

filc:
Its not newsworthy. If we posted every blogger up here who insulted LvMI we'd have nothing else to talk about.

StrangeLoop:
I don't see it happening frequently.

Frequency doesn't change the fact that it's not newsworthy. =p

Oh my someone is against free markets! I'm so shocked! Get it? We live in this world, why should we find this stuff surprising?

Re: "Don't make any loud sounds around the Mises Institute..."

Lagrange multiplier — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:29:44 GMT

Chloe732:
You obviously have an axe to grind against the LvMI. Go ahead and grind. Nobody cares.

How do you figure?

Because they publish good books (some of them jewels that haven't been published in decades)?

Because they host one of the largest libararies of free media (e.g., lectures, digitized books, journal articles)?

Because they unerringly advocate free-market policies despite the statist quo?

Let's be frank here: I do tend to believe dogmatists--of any stripe--are overly sensitive and "paranoid." But all I've done here was share the words of a popular blogger. And, of course, the messenger does not automatically believe the message.

Re: "Don't make any loud sounds around the Mises Institute..."

Lagrange multiplier — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:24:39 GMT

filc:
Its not newsworthy. If we posted every blogger up here who insulted LvMI we'd have nothing else to talk about.

I don't see it happening frequently.

Re: "Don't make any loud sounds around the Mises Institute..."

filc — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:16:22 GMT

StrangeLoop:
If a blogger is insulting the LvMI and its members, you don't believe that is newsworthy?

Its not newsworthy. If we posted every blogger up here who insulted LvMI we'd have nothing else to talk about.

Re: "Don't make any loud sounds around the Mises Institute..."

yuberries — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:02:45 GMT

Haters gonna hate
Don't feed the troll
etc.