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Re: How-to guide for pedophiles: free speech?

Charles Anthony — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:12:38 GMT

What is the big deal?

Just publish the full name, address, photograph of Phillip R. Greaves along with those of his family, friends and his publisher. Freedom of speech, goes both ways.

Re: How-to guide for pedophiles: free speech?

MaikU — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:10:48 GMT

Brian Anderson:

bump

Here is something I wrote on this subject.

good :)

Re: How-to guide for pedophiles: free speech?

BrianAnderson — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 04:31:10 GMT

Isaac "Izzy" Marmolejo:

"I'm extremely libertarian, so please do not piss me off with your shit"

that made me laugh

Haha, thank you.

Re: How-to guide for pedophiles: free speech?

Isaac "Izzy" Marmolejo — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 04:06:55 GMT

"I'm extremely libertarian, so please do not piss me off with your shit"

that made me laugh

Re: How-to guide for pedophiles: free speech?

BrianAnderson — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 03:55:14 GMT

bump

Here is something I wrote on this subject.

Re: How-to guide for pedophiles: free speech?

baxter — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 22:16:14 GMT

>You can't be saying that it's okay to have sex with a child if it were commonly accepted, are you?

No, I didn't mean to suggest that. Whether it's OK or not depends on whether someone is harmed.

Voluntarily working as a sex worker isn't morally wrong, whether you are a child or adult. But it's morally wrong to use the legal system as a bludgeon to destroy someone's job simply because you find it distasteful.

Re: How-to guide for pedophiles: free speech?

BrianAnderson — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:37:40 GMT

was that sarcasm? the book is clearly about how to have sex with children and how to get away with it.

I had that same question.

This is bullshit. The book is apparently about how not to molest children and violate any laws.

It seems like the State's law are at fault here, does it not? The non-aggression principle isn't a loophole, but government laws tend to be.

If he lived in one of a number of ancient societies, like Japanese or Spartan, where pedarasty was commonly accepted, he would be considered normal and left alone.

You can't be saying that it's okay to have sex with a child if it were commonly accepted, are you? I don't mean to make a conclusion from that one statement alone, but that's what it sounded like.

Re: How-to guide for pedophiles: free speech?

baxter — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:32:55 GMT

Did the act of writing the book hurt someone? No.

He was arrested not because he hurt someone, but because he didn't follow cultural norms. It's kind of lame. If he lived in one of a number of ancient societies, like Japanese or Spartan, where pedarasty was commonly accepted, he would be considered normal and left alone.

Re: How-to guide for pedophiles: free speech?

Isaac "Izzy" Marmolejo — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:37:55 GMT

@scineram

was that sarcasm? the book is clearly about how to have sex with children and how to get away with it.

Re: How-to guide for pedophiles: free speech?

Autolykos — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:16:10 GMT

Gero:
An Associated Press article said: “If the government is willing to prohibit this book from being shipped and sold in Florida . . . what would prevent officials from prosecuting a bookseller who ships and sells Vladimir Nabokov's ‘Lolita,’ a novel about a pedophile?”

Presumably Lolita has been deemed to have "artistic merit", which is an "I know it when I see it" kind of thing.

Gero:
The article cites Florida Sheriff Grady Judd who said, “What’s wrong with a society that has gotten to the point that we can’t arrest child pornographers and child molesters who write a book about how to rape a child?”

Is Mr. Judd implying that anyone who writes such a book must himself be a child molester? I wasn't aware that that alone was enough to convict. In the case of molestation, there must be actual victims. Of course, when one's goal is to "eliminate child molestation", as it appears is the case with Mr. Judd, the ends justify the means.

Gero:
Any pedophile should be prosecuted, but if this book aids them, what, if any, punishment should the author endure?

The author should be prosecuted as an accessory to the crime. That alone would give any (would-be) child molester pause from writing such a book, even in an anarcho-capitalist society. However, it would not prevent such a book from being written, nor would it prevent child molestation from happening. In our zero-tolerance legal-positivist society, it seems to be all about prevention.

Re: How-to guide for pedophiles: free speech?

scineram — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:55:17 GMT

This is bullshit. The book is apparently about how not to molest children and violate any laws.

Re: How-to guide for pedophiles: free speech?

BrianAnderson — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 07:35:07 GMT

Brian, if not accepted, forward it to me and i will put it on the Mises Blog under your name

Sounds good! I'll most likely finish it tonight, so I'll send it to you in a few days if it's not accepted.

Re: How-to guide for pedophiles: free speech?

newson — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 05:54:11 GMT

state laws protecting privacy and allowing defamation/libel actions serve to inhibit the spread of information, potentially one of the few ways to lower incidence of this crime. sex-offenders often being recidivists, punishment in the form of detention will not guarantee community safety after release.

Re: How-to guide for pedophiles: free speech?

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Re: How-to guide for pedophiles: free speech?

Jeremiah Dyke — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 05:11:19 GMT

Brian, if not accepted, forward it to me and i will put it on the Mises Blog under your name