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Re: Anarcho-Capitalism Needs a New Name

Chyd3nius — Tue, 02 Aug 2011 18:54:50 GMT

Why Capitalism Is Worth Defending (by Anthony Gregory)

http://mises.org/daily/5505/Why-Capitalism-Is-Worth-Defending

I still like the jewish one.

Re: Anarcho-Capitalism Needs a New Name

Instead of Politics — Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:21:31 GMT

If you substitute the term, "libertarian purists" for "anarcho-capitalists" and "libertarian purism" for "anarcho-capitalism," you accomplish the following:

1) You more accurately describe Rothbardian, Freedmanite, and Kosankeist principles in terms that are familiar to many,

2) You solidify the relationship between libertarianism and a truly free market while demonstrating that minarchist libertarianism is incomplete.

3) You expand visibility for the movement.

Try it out. I am confident that you will be satisfied with the results.

John Frederic Kosanke - Author of "Instead of Politics: (Principles of Civilization)"

Re: Anarcho-Capitalism Needs a New Name

Nielsio — Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:25:34 GMT

Today's Mises Daily:

Why Capitalism Is Worth Defending (by Anthony Gregory)

http://mises.org/daily/5505/Why-Capitalism-Is-Worth-Defending

Re: Anarcho-Capitalism Needs a New Name

Chyd3nius — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 22:48:46 GMT

I thought things a bit and decided to point to my first post...

Or 'jewish'. Murray Rothbard invented anarcho-capitalism and was a jew, and Mises was too. And I heard that Gary North proved that the Old Testament is quite pro-market. No one certainly don't want to be an anti-semitist!

Maybe we actually should start to talk about "jewish economy"! Think about all the Hitler-cards!

Chyd3nius, miksi kutsut itseäsi, kun olet tekemisissä suomalaisten kanssa?

Riippuu aika lailla tilanteesta, käytän "klassista liberaalia" kun en halua leimautua liian radikaaliksi, ja "anarkokapitalistia" kun haluan. "Kannatan vapaata markkinataloutta" on kuitenkin yleensä ymmärretty helpoiten. Kaikesta huolimatta ihmisillä on ennakkoluuloja, eivätkä he useinkaan käsitä että inhoan mm. Kokoomusta ja EU:ta.

Re: Anarcho-Capitalism Needs a New Name

Loppu — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:05:12 GMT

Chyd3nius, miksi kutsut itseäsi, kun olet tekemisissä suomalaisten kanssa?

Re: Anarcho-Capitalism Needs a New Name

Chyd3nius — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 20:24:43 GMT

I will stick with 'libertarian' until leftists give 'liberalism' back to us.

Re: Anarcho-Capitalism Needs a New Name

jay — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 17:25:29 GMT

Whatever term comes into common usage (at least, common to "us") there's probably going to be explaining to do no matter what.

Re: Anarcho-Capitalism Needs a New Name

John James — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 13:40:48 GMT

Marko:
You have to be more in your face than that.

Marko:
I am fine with shoving the term 'Capitalism' into people's face

Marko:
"voluntarist" is bad. First of all no one knows what that means

Marko:
[I prefer] Rothbardian Anarchist, just Rothbardian

John James:
Because everyone knows what "Rothbardian" means.

Marko:
Your post is made up of nothing but you puting words into my mouth. I did not say "everyone" has heard of Rothbard

Re: Anarcho-Capitalism Needs a New Name

Marko — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 13:18:01 GMT

Your post is made up of nothing but you puting words into my mouth. I did not say "everyone" has heard of Rothbard, and I was not talking about shoving things into people's faces (what??).

Re: Anarcho-Capitalism Needs a New Name

John James — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 12:47:15 GMT

Marko:
PS, "voluntarist" is bad. First of all no one knows what that means, second it sounds weak. It is a sterile word. You have to be more in your face than that.

Right. Because everyone knows what "Rothbardian" means. And they're are just dying to listen to people who display a "shove things in your face" attitude while calling themself an anarchist.

Re: Anarcho-Capitalism Needs a New Name

Marko — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 12:19:04 GMT

Rothbardian Anarchist, just Rothbardian or just Anarchist for short. (Like Marxists-Leninist Communists can either be Marxists, or Communists for short.)

I am fine with shoving the term 'Capitalism' into people's face, but I am not into hyphens so much. Another small problem is that we are mostly broke and not capitalists at all, so it may sound strange to someone if you go around calling yourself an Anarcho-Capitalist (like Jim Rogers calls himself adventure capitalist.)

Rothbard should not have been as modest and just called Anarcho-Capitalism Rohbardian Anarchism.

PS, "voluntarist" is bad. First of all no one knows what that means, second it sounds weak. It is a sterile word. You have to be more in your face than that.

Re: Anarcho-Capitalism Needs a New Name

Birthday Pony — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 05:52:07 GMT

Clayton, I agree that sexism does not necessarily entail the use of force or any action against property. The problem is that not all sociological things, including authoritarianism, necessarily relate to property.

Just because something isn't legally sanctioned does not mean it's not institutionalized. When the people in power of institutions generally all discriminate in similar ways, then institutionalized discrimination is present. What I am saying is that beyond a simple anti-state stance, Anarcho-capitalism fails to go into sociological questions of authoritarianism or offer any critique of how authoritarianism presentes itself in any other form than the state.

Re: Anarcho-Capitalism Needs a New Name

Daniel James Sanchez — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 04:49:20 GMT

The movement for dwindling the state and adhering to "homestead/contract/production" property rights based on an awarenes of economic principles was known, from its inception, as "liberalism". We who would see the state dwindled to nothing and who call for no systematized exceptions to the above conception of property rights are the inheritors and the present-day culmination of that grand tradition. If for no other reason than for new liberals to feel they are part of a grand, evolving tradition, and not some new intellectual fad, we should fight to take back "liberalism".

Re: Anarcho-Capitalism Needs a New Name

Fool on the Hill — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 04:09:22 GMT

I could accept voluntarist. At least no one else uses that.

Re: Anarcho-Capitalism Needs a New Name

Clayton — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 04:08:37 GMT

That's all well and good, but my point is that the anti-authoritarianism doesn't seem to transfer into a lot of social realms with regards to things like sexism.

Sexism is a personal character flaw and should be addressed accordingly. I doubt that "sexist attitudes" are something that require legal remedy, that is, threat of the use of force. "Your action on behalf of others, or their action on behalf of you, is only virtuous when it is derived from voluntary, mutual consent. For virtue can only exist when there is free choice." (Epilogue to Jonathan Gullible by Kenneth Schooland) Rectifying personal character flaws through threats of force is not moral instruction, it's just an amoral shifting of the strategic equilibrium in society regarding what are advantageous and disadvantageous forms of expression.

Clayton -