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Re: 22 Seals in Bin Laden Unit Die - 8/6/11

Clayton — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 01:51:21 GMT

To be more precise, I shouldn't use the blanket term 'special operations' which includes everything from Army Rangers to Marine Recon to Navy SEALs, etc. Specifically, I am talking about these kinds of folks. CIA SAD, for one, definitely has innocent blood on its hands.

Clayton -

Re: 22 Seals in Bin Laden Unit Die - 8/6/11

Amadeus — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 01:16:07 GMT

That's a subjective matter, whether they are psycopaths or not. You don't know any of them personally.

Re: 22 Seals in Bin Laden Unit Die - 8/6/11

Clayton — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 00:20:51 GMT

Clayton,

Can you expand on why you think special forces soldiers have a tendency toward sociopathy?

It definitely takes someone who isn't "normal" to make it through that kind of intense training, and

I'm curious as to why you think these guys are slighty sociopathic.

Special forces are what ordinary forces used to be (say, during the medieval era). They are professional soldiers that see more action in a month on active duty than most regular infantry will see during an entire tour-of-duty, even if they're in a battle zone. They get shot at a lot and do a lot of killing. When they retire (often long before the usual retirement age), they have a lot of options in private-sectory security at very generous salaries.

However, since States are in the business of aggression, modern special forces soldiers (including CIA/black-ops) are sometimes engaged in missions which can hardly be described as anything other than murder-for-hire. One of their own even described them as sort of like Murder, Inc. Those with the fewest moral qualms with frank assassination that may include "collateral damage" will rise to the top. In other words, the system selects for sociopathy.

Clayton -

Re: 22 Seals in Bin Laden Unit Die - 8/6/11

fbc91 — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 08:21:52 GMT

Clayton,

Can you expand on why you think special forces soldiers have a tendency toward sociopathy?

It definitely takes someone who isn't "normal" to make it through that kind of intense training, and

I'm curious as to why you think these guys are slighty sociopathic.

Re: 22 Seals in Bin Laden Unit Die - 8/6/11

Clayton — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 06:32:09 GMT

Members of SEAL Team Six are all made men. They would never "squeal." Also, they are costly to recruit and train and come with extremely scarce natural skills (a tendency toward sociopathy being among the requisite natural skills). They are not disposable bullet-stoppers. It seems like there was probably some kind of funny business that night. If there was funny business, it wasn't a bunch of SEALs that died... whoever died were simply called SEALs for public consumption. If SEALs actually died, you can rest assured it was not funny business.

Clayton -

Re: 22 Seals in Bin Laden Unit Die - 8/6/11

Aristophanes — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 05:07:21 GMT

I doubt it.

The suspiscion, for me, is around the helicopter that was destroyed that night. There may have been deaths there and supposedly those were the soldiers that would have gone in and brought bin Laden out.

Re: 22 Seals in Bin Laden Unit Die - 8/6/11

Michael J Green — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 04:55:55 GMT

Could the top brass be trying to kill off Seal witnesses that could give us a different story than the "government" story of how Bin Laden died?

No.

22 Seals in Bin Laden Unit Die - 8/6/11

limitgov — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 04:49:47 GMT

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/08/06/afghanistan.nato.helicopter.crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

The majority of the Navy SEALs who died belonged to the same covert unit that conducted the raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May, though they were not the same men, the military official said.

Could the top brass be trying to kill off Seal witnesses that could give us a different story than the "government" story of how Bin Laden died?