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Re: Protest Tomorrow in San Fran (August 15)

Nielsio — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:15:32 GMT

Aristophanes,

Don't incite violations of US law on the Mises forums. Your post has been deleted. Don't let it happen again.

Re: Protest Tomorrow in San Fran (August 15)

DanielMuff — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 02:13:38 GMT

John James:

Daniel Muffinburg:
Anyway, BART is a statist agency, so...

...so unless you want to argue that a state can legitimately own property, I'd say the argument that they "owned" the network is bunk.

Attempt #3 to post a reply (why, Telligent/server/et al., why?):

Correct.

As an aside, I had a much longer reply, but the forum software failed. Oh wellz.

Re: Protest Tomorrow in San Fran (August 15)

John James — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:39:53 GMT

Daniel Muffinburg:
Anyway, BART is a statist agency, so...

...so unless you want to argue that a state can legitimately own property, I'd say the argument that they "owned" the network is bunk.

Re: Protest Tomorrow in San Fran (August 15)

DanielMuff — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:20:52 GMT

John James:

So what exactly did you mean by "I don't think the BART police gave themselves the authority."?

I was responding to:

i assume its in protest of the police giving themselves the authority to cut off cell service.

which I interpreted as:

i assume its in protest of the BART police giving themselves the authority to cut off cell service.

But the BART police didn't give themselves the autohority; they got "permission from BART interim General Manager Sherwood Wakeman". Furthermore, not withstanding any (statist) laws/etc. to the contrary, BART didn't need to give its self authority since it "owned and controlled" the network. It would be like stating that John James gave himself the authority to shut down John James' network. Wouldn't the assumption be that John James already had the authority? Anyway, BART is a statist agency, so...

Re: Protest Tomorrow in San Fran (August 15)

John James — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:50:52 GMT

So what exactly did you mean by "I don't think the BART police gave themselves the authority."?

Re: Protest Tomorrow in San Fran (August 15)

DanielMuff — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:20:30 GMT

See:

A 'recipe for disaster'

Contrary to some speculative reports, BART did not jam wireless signals or ask cell phone providers to shut down towers near stations. BART owns and controls the wireless network strung through its subways, and BART police ordered it switched off, after receiving permission from BART interim General Manager Sherwood Wakeman, former general counsel for the transit district.

Benson Fairow, BART's deputy police chief, said he decided to switch off the service out of concern that protesters on station platforms could clash with commuters, create panicked surges of passengers, and put themselves or others in the way of speeding trains or the high-voltage third rails.

Re: Protest Tomorrow in San Fran (August 15)

DanielMuff — Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:15:19 GMT

The SFPD didn't cut off the cell phone service; BART did.

EDIT: I'm not sure why you would have assumed SFPD over BART police.

Re: Protest Tomorrow in San Fran (August 15)

John James — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:53:35 GMT

Who said anything about BART? I assumed he was talking about SFPD.

Re: Protest Tomorrow in San Fran (August 15)

DanielMuff — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:18:12 GMT

I don't think the BART police gave themselves the authority.

Edit:

A 'recipe for disaster'

Re: Protest Tomorrow in San Fran (August 15)

limitgov — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:38:53 GMT

"Why did you post this, limitgov?"

it wason rense.com and caught my attention. i assume its in protest of the police giving themselves the authority to cut off cell service.

Re: Protest Tomorrow in San Fran (August 15)

Nielsio — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:47:49 GMT

Why did you post this, limitgov?

It doesn't even describe what censorship is being protested.

Re: Protest Tomorrow in San Fran (August 15)

DanielMuff — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:08:08 GMT

Is someone gonna try to get on top of a train again?

Re: Protest Tomorrow in San Fran (August 15)

Andrew Cain — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:33:45 GMT

I don't support Anonymous. They violate property laws (PSN debacle).

Protest Tomorrow in San Fran (August 15)

limitgov — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:17:06 GMT

no toleration of censorship is acceptable