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Re: anti-tech

John James — Fri, 06 Apr 2012 15:42:22 GMT

Freedom4Me73986:
"You're coming from a modern dwelling of some kind that includes electricity, indoor plumbing, air conditioning, and probably telephone and television. You're sitting in front of a modern computing device, connecting into an internet of servers and sending messages about how you are anti-technology and anti-civilization."

So what? How does that detract from my message

any more then anarcho-capitalists living in the state and using state roads and services discredits anarcho-capitalism

Use your computer to read these.

"Go live in the woods and stop using technology and I might start to take what you say even remotely seriously."

So when I announce my departure from civ you'll retract everything you've said on this forum?

Did I say that? How the hell do you get that from what I said? Oh wait. That's right.

Also watch the vid I posted about fluoride/aspartame.

Go live in the woods.

Re: anti-tech

Freedom4Me73986 — Fri, 06 Apr 2012 07:45:17 GMT

I know exactly where you're coming from. You're coming from a modern dwelling of some kind that includes electricity, indoor plumbing, air conditioning, and probably telephone and television. You're sitting in front of a modern computing device, connecting into an internet of servers and sending messages about how you are anti-technology and anti-civilization.

So what? How does that detract from my message any more then anarcho-capitalists living in the state and using state roads and services discredits anarcho-capitalism?

Go live in the woods and stop using technology and I might start to take what you say even remotely seriously.

So when I announce my departure from civ you'll retract everything you've said on this forum?

Also watch the vid I posted about fluoride/aspartame.

Re: anti-tech

Freedom4Me73986 — Fri, 06 Apr 2012 07:42:31 GMT

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Re: anti-tech

John James — Thu, 05 Apr 2012 08:17:17 GMT

Freedom4Me73986:
So why won't you read the links I post? If you took the time to realize where I'm coming from you might not be so quick to write me off as crazy.

I know exactly where you're coming from. You're coming from a modern dwelling of some kind that includes electricity, indoor plumbing, air conditioning, and probably telephone and television. You're sitting in front of a modern computing device, connecting into an internet of servers and sending messages about how you are anti-technology and anti-civilization.

You're using technology to proclaim how you are anti-tech, and going on and on about how you wish to live outside of civilization, while sitting in the comforts of civilization and refusing to leave.

Go live in the woods and stop using technology and I might start to take what you say even remotely seriously.

Re: anti-tech

Freedom4Me73986 — Thu, 05 Apr 2012 08:09:00 GMT

So why won't you read the links I post? If you took the time to realize where I'm coming from you might not be so quick to write me off as crazy.

Fact: anarcho-primitivism IS anarcho-capitalism. Hunter-gatherers had no states and interacted on a completely voluntary basis. They freely traded and were way more peaceful than civilized man ever will be.

Fact: agriculture is the root of civilization which is the root of most of today's aggression. Civilized man is way more violent, has way more tools to commit violent acts of aggression against others and is unhealthier and unhappier.

Fact: ag and civ and almost all tech are not sustainable in the least bit. State-subsidized industrial ag is going to bottom out soon enough once all topsoil is destroyed. Why stay dependent on ag when you can learn primitive survival skills?

Fact: civ and the state are poisoning us. Cell phones are known to cause cancer. Computers probably do as well. All pasteurized beverages are full of caricinogens as well. Why have cancer and autism rates gone way up in the past 20 years and why dont' H/Gs get either?

Re: anti-tech

John James — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:58:06 GMT

Daniel Muffinburg:
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Hey, Freedom4Me73986 is the one who bumped this thing. (suprise surprise, to completely ignore anything that was said or asked and post a nonsense link no one will click.)

Re: anti-tech

DanielMuff — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:53:13 GMT

Freedom4Me73986:
Watch the Law of Life video. It should be simple: civilized man kills his competitors (weeds, bugs, predators) at a rate way bigger then any other living creature.
I, for one, did watch the video. The argument presented seems contradictory to me. On the one hand, the narrator states that civilized man violates the alleged "Law of Life". But then he goes on to state that this alleged "Law of Life" will ultimately cut civilized man down to size (so to speak). That implies that civilized man is not, in fact, violating this alleged "Law of Life". Furthermore, it implies that this alleged "Law of Life" cannot be violated. And that would mean that civilized man is actually acting in complete accordance with it.

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Re: anti-tech

Autolykos — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:12:45 GMT

Freedom4Me73986:
Watch the Law of Life video. It should be simple: civilized man kills his competitors (weeds, bugs, predators) at a rate way bigger then any other living creature.

I, for one, did watch the video. The argument presented seems contradictory to me. On the one hand, the narrator states that civilized man violates the alleged "Law of Life". But then he goes on to state that this alleged "Law of Life" will ultimately cut civilized man down to size (so to speak). That implies that civilized man is not, in fact, violating this alleged "Law of Life". Furthermore, it implies that this alleged "Law of Life" cannot be violated. And that would mean that civilized man is actually acting in complete accordance with it.

Re: anti-tech

Freedom4Me73986 — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 17:30:12 GMT

http://evolvify.com/agriculture-is-imperialism/

Re: anti-tech

John James — Sun, 01 Apr 2012 07:25:14 GMT

Freedom4Me73986:
How am I any more inconsistent than anti-statists who refuse to leave the state?

Gee. I point out how Freedom4Me73986 only answers questions with questions, and then ask him a question...and he responds with a question. You should see my big surprised face.

I want to keep posting here while I'm living in civilization because I like discussing economics and libertarianism.

But you are not doing that. You never do that. Most of the time you were here you posted idiotic FSP/New Hampshire propaganda...until you proposed a challenge which I accepted, and you lost...thus revoking your right to post that crap here any longer (an agreement which you still ignored for quite some time).

Ever since then you've been annoying everyone with your bullshit primitivist nonsense and crowding threads with useless videos which no one ever clicks. You're not discussing anything. You're just propagandizing (or at least you think you are) and doing nothing more than being a nuisance.

You talk about how civilization and technology are the debil and how you want to get away from that and live in the woods. You can easily do that. You could do that right this second. Just get rid of your technology (that means your computer) and go into the woods. I don't care if you think someone is a hypocrite for "not leaving the state" (even though that makes absolutely no sense). No one here ever expressed any interest in "leaving the state".

YOU explicitly said you wished to go live in the woods without technology. On many occasions. You still maintain that today. You are Using the Internet to proclaim being anti-tech on a regular basis when you could easily be living in the woods.

Either admit you like computers, you like the Internet and you don't actually want to live in the woods, or go do it.

Re: anti-tech

Williamloveseconomics — Sun, 01 Apr 2012 06:27:26 GMT

Because how can we leave the state? What country, island, land do we go travel to so we can be free to live? The best we have is some countries aren't as forceful as others. Living out in the woods is temporary freedom because once a park ranger reports you in you will have to start making a run for it. Going to live in the wild on government controlled land doesn't sound like the alternative that benefits a growing number of libertarians. Also, think about this for a second. The difficulty of leaving the State is a tough and expensive journey. Is dumping your computer in the trash equally as hard?

You could simply discard your "technology", grab a stick, and be out living your dream within minutes (until government workers catch you). While many of us have to use "technology" to find a spot that might work out, save up to buy the lawyers, research teams, land, etc... Move there, find outside traders (that most likey will still be manage by their country's government), and aquire many other resources to have a high standard of living.

I don't use the state as my resource to advocate getting rid of it... You on the other hand have used the very thing you hate to reply back to me as you try to argue that you hate it and find it destructive.

You like discussing economics and libertarianism... why? in your tribal world a simple glance of Murphy's first 4 chapters in "Lessons for the Young Economist" covers about all you'll cover and allow in your nomadic adventures. no much of a complex system when everyone has outdated cloths, handful of berries, a stick, rat pelts, and insects to snack on. The minute some try to establish a money system to simplify trading, you as grand cheiftan, will swing on down and warn of how people will form into a civilization and will be destroyed by this "destructive behavior".

Re: anti-tech

Freedom4Me73986 — Sun, 01 Apr 2012 04:44:35 GMT

Freedom4Me73986:
Why do you care?

You seriously can't answer a question, can you. You have no answers or logic to your professed nonsense, so every hard question you're posed with, you simply try to flip back by responding with a question.

But I'll go ahead and address this one too.

It doesn't matter why I care. Let's say I care because I want the best for you, and I want you to stop being made fun of and laughed at. Let's say I want you to be logically consistant. Let's say I care because your presence here is of benefit to no one. Everyone here alleges that they would prefer you not post here, and even you yourself allege the same thing.

Your goals are the same. You and everyone else would all prefer you not post here...meaning all parties involved would be happier. Let's say I care because I think everyone involved being happier, is a good thing, and I'd like to see that happen.

It doesn't matter why I care. That's not the issue. The issue is, why don't you do it?

How am I any more inconsistent than anti-statists who refuse to leave the state? I want to keep posting here while I'm living in civilization because I like discussing economics and libertarianism.

Re: anti-tech

John James — Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:21:51 GMT

Freedom4Me73986:
Why do you care?

You seriously can't answer a question, can you. You have no answers or logic to your professed nonsense, so every hard question you're posed with, you simply try to flip back by responding with a question.

But I'll go ahead and address this one too.

It doesn't matter why I care. Let's say I care because I want the best for you, and I want you to stop being made fun of and laughed at. Let's say I want you to be logically consistant. Let's say I care because your presence here is of benefit to no one. Everyone here alleges that they would prefer you not post here, and even you yourself allege the same thing.

Your goals are the same. You and everyone else would all prefer you not post here...meaning all parties involved would be happier. Let's say I care because I think everyone involved being happier, is a good thing, and I'd like to see that happen.

It doesn't matter why I care. That's not the issue. The issue is, why don't you do it?

Re: anti-tech

Freedom4Me73986 — Sat, 31 Mar 2012 06:44:56 GMT

Freedom4Me73986:
Not ban. More like throw in the trash and learn to live without.

...kind of like you could easily do with your computer. Like, now.

Why don't you do this?

Why do you care?

Re: anti-tech

Williamloveseconomics — Sat, 31 Mar 2012 05:27:27 GMT

Bert pretty much explained why we use "this". Without it you wouldn't have the number of Austrians, FSP members, RP supporters, etc... Why do you use it since you have stated that a computer is destructive? Is it because you want to aquire knowledge on how to rat trap and use your hand as butt wipe for your "nature boy" living? So therefore proving that a computer is just another tool used for anyones purpose, good or bad?

As for roads and the state. A road is a road. A tool that is is mainly owned by the state. This doesn't mean i hate the road. I hate that the state owns the road. I simply do not wish to destroy the road. Rather, have it run by private owners that make decisions based on profit motives that deal with competition of other providers. You on the other had want it destroyed, trashed, avoided, etc... Yet you still use your computer? So why not give it to someone that would be more productive with it? Sell it for beaver pelts, snuff, or a first aid k... oh wait that's a technological advancement. hmmm...well i guess you can use your crap as a form of medicine for the many wounds you'll get when you're living your nature moments.