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Re: Why do people so easily accept hoemopathy and Eastern mystic healings?

Neodoxy — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 06:21:52 GMT

Vive,

1. I think you hit on an important point that a lot of libertarians miss which is that the outcome of radical policies instituted too quickly which would lead to unfavorable results in the short term.

2. I think that you minimize the possible effects of cutting subsidies. There are other benefits such as, at very least, the possibility of a decrease in price, no matter what the other consequences. At least in theory people would still be able to get the healthcare they needed while at the same time not consuming unneeded services. As a simple matter of supply and demand it would be the same as the demand curve shifting to the left. Less demanded and a lower price, more practical and less frivolous usage of medical services. That's the hope anyway.

3. My avatar is a picture of the main character from an anime I watched recently called "Elfen Lied". Fascinating, I know. Here's a super cool story about it:

So recently I wanted to make a change up with my avatar but none of my preferred options really worked so I decided on my previous avatar. In the past few days I watched the show and I really appreciated it and I thought that it actually did a surprisingly good job of tackling one of the greatest dichotomies which we see within ourselves, others we know, and society as a whole, which is that within us which is cold, efficient, and utterly selfish to the point of committing terrible atrocities, and the part of us which is incredibly humanistic, reverent, playful, and loving. In the first episode the main character, "Lucy" (my avatar) who is a psychotic killer, breaks free of the bonds which have kept her restrained for nearly a decade since her last rampage. Part of her restraints was a large mask which covered her entire head. As she escapes from prison she suffers a wound to the head which breaks her mask, as depicted in my avatar, but which also causes her to develop split personality disorder.

She is eventually found by a family, and for a while the new personality is dominant. It is mentally handicapped, incapable of even rudimentary speech, but it is also incredibly loving and perceptive of the people around her and their emotions. Throughout the series she continually switches between the the "good" Lucy, and the "bad" Lucy, the former more innocent than any other character while being inefficient and stupid, the latter being heartless, murderous, and intelligent. The family is incapable of grasping that the two are indeed actually one, that there could be more to Lucy than they themselves see, just as we ourselves often fail to grasp the evil that we wreak on others and society through our actions and inaction.

We see this on a massive scale. billions of people get along fine every day, give money to help others, show love towards those around them, and help each other in a myriad of ways, while at the same time there is genocide, war, and negligence towards many who need help, whether or not they're supposedly getting it. Meanwhile on a personal level many people are at very least descent, but harm the ones that they love, cause distress to others, and support causes which, if examined, are thoroughly evil. We cannot be fully selfless and do nothing but experience emotion and care for others, this would lead to futility and leaves our self worth entirely in the hands of others, but without consultation of our emotions and an understanding of the potential worth of every human being we are abusing ourselves as well as the potential joy of love.

As Lucy escapes and her mask breaks the possibility for her full humanity in the praxeological sense of the term is finally realized. For the first time in years she's actually capable of exercising her own will and discretion, and what side she will choose in her new life, that which is relentless but utterly destructive both inwardly and outwardly, that which is only capable of benevolent idiocy, or the proper synthesis of these two extremes into a human being who can care for herself and others while still being capable of doing what she must in order to defend herself from cruelties of the world.

Anyway, that's the kind of intellectual mood that I'm in, at the moment I'm straying slightly away from economic theory, I hope to put out my last thread I'll post on the subject for a while within the next few days, and towards a greater insight into the human condition and the more "humanistic" parts of philosophy, political and personal.

/rant

Re: Why do people so easily accept hoemopathy and Eastern mystic healings?

gotlucky — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 05:32:35 GMT

This movie seems entirely relevant to the spirit of this thread.

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Re: Why do people so easily accept hoemopathy and Eastern mystic healings?

vive la insurrection — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 05:03:21 GMT

I hate pork and bean eaters. You know, like that green stuff on the outside of corn? It's abhorrent. It could just as easily be labeled horsehide. Why not hold them to the same accountability as genuine ham and legume eaters would be?

Well that's a topic for another thread.

Re: Why do people so easily accept hoemopathy and Eastern mystic healings?

HabbaBabba — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:52:14 GMT

"Why do people so easily accept hoemopathy and Eastern mystic healings?
Just curious, as LRC tends to, which I find an abomination."

So, before anything is defined, abominable behavior for acceptance of something.

"e.g. Why use the word "Chi" when something like homeostasis or whatever would suit the word just find. Why use the word "meditate" / Buddhism when going fishing,playing baseball, etc have the same connotation."

OK, so this isn't a self-derived definition of "chi" and then another for meditation? You put both forward completely unattached. Already having labeled and judged believers of something only now created and retroactively applied to the judged upon party, without any relationship shown or attempted whatsoever.

Later, you go on to admit that there are no specifics, and the words used are just abstract for whatever makes sense to you at the time, while continuing to insist that one action is the same as another, despite never nailing down specifically what either one is. And yet ironically also:

"if you can't say anything clearly don't say it all"

I hate pork and bean eaters. You know, like that green stuff on the outside of corn? It's abhorrent. It could just as easily be labeled horsehide. Why not hold them to the same accountability as genuine ham and legume eaters would be?

Re: Why do people so easily accept hoemopathy and Eastern mystic healings?

vive la insurrection — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:24:44 GMT

No, you did not understand me correctly.

Re: Why do people so easily accept hoemopathy and Eastern mystic healings?

HabbaBabba — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:02:04 GMT

So, if I understand correctly, you make up a guy, his practice, his fucking language. Then make up his patients, accuse LRC-ers of being amongst them, and get pissed off at them for it?

Re: Why do people so easily accept hoemopathy and Eastern mystic healings?

Malachi — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 01:29:06 GMT

I own that implication, I wasnt trying to put it on you. Its smelly because of all the germs.

Re: Why do people so easily accept hoemopathy and Eastern mystic healings?

vive la insurrection — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 01:25:44 GMT

you dont know what he knows,

I know exactly what he knows, I created him. He is a widget. As is medicine and chi (My faut for using that damned word again).

smelly homeland

I wasn't going there, nor did I mean to imply that

OK, I'm done now. Sorry I couldn't explain myself better

Re: Why do people so easily accept hoemopathy and Eastern mystic healings?

Malachi — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:59:48 GMT

Well, I dont know man. Accountability is funny in this situation. You have to be a doctor to practice medicine, so its not like a medicine man can even legally offer to cure any individual's cancer. He could go to jail even if it worked. Whereas a doctor is liable if he goes outside the bounds of accepted practice. Its not like he is somehow accountable for the results from the patient's perspective. And, this should go without saying in this situation, shouldnt it be the patient's choice anyway? You did say you didnt want to get into a "fact war" on this thread, but surely you can concede that modern medicine doesnt "have cancer beat" or anything crazy like that, right?

You also seem to be implying that, as you do not know what chi is, the medicine man doesnt know what cancer is. But thats not really something you can claim here, you dont know what he knows, and if he uses the word "cancer" he is just using vocabulary familiar to the patient. If he has "miracle vision lol" then sure he could see and identify a malignant growth, even if back in the smelly homeland they called it hrukle-gurgle.

Re: Why do people so easily accept hoemopathy and Eastern mystic healings?

vive la insurrection — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:35:54 GMT

Can I balance your Chi by giving you an antibiotic? If I say I can do such a thing, I really can't. I'm just doing guess work in thinking by Chi, you mean you have a bacterial infection..

Or can I even treat the natives "umma gumma" *(which in this case to the natives means "undesirable growth on skin") by chemotherapy? No, not if by "cure" to them they mean "immediate eradication of the apperance of unwanted skin growth". So when their tribe burns me at the stake for failure to do so, I asked for it.

*Pink Floyd

Re: Why do people so easily accept hoemopathy and Eastern mystic healings?

Malachi — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:23:42 GMT

It seems like youre trying to say that "someone who isnt a licensed medical professional has no right to X" where X = "speak authoritatively on medical subjects" or "attempt to treat and actual disease" or "criticize the way a licensed medical professional does business" or "write for lewrockwell.com". Those "or"s are XORs, I'm not trying to say youre saying all of that. I actually still dnt know what youre saying and apparently I am the only person in this thread who is lost. guess I will go back to lurking and reading and try to catch up with the rest of the forum members. Here are some links explaining why doctors maybe arent the best cancer-fighters in the known world:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chemotherapy-backfire-boost-cancer-growth-study-164516832.html

http://gizmodo.com/5876919/how-cancer-drugs-make-cancer-worse-and-kill-patients

Sorry, no hyperlinks, I still suck at posting.

Re: Why do people so easily accept hoemopathy and Eastern mystic healings?

vive la insurrection — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:12:01 GMT

So you have a problem with the medicine man using the word "cancer" or you have a problem with him using a made-up term?

This is obviously getting confusing,and not going anywhere. So some quick points, and then I may be done with you on this - because we are either talking past each other. or we have very little useful to say to one another.

1) I don't think I am retracting much or anything previously stated. This was just a further illustration / accent on things

2) This is once again, not looking at the "medicine man" - but what gets imported and packaged into a foreign territory from the medicine man by other people.

3) This was just an example:

If all the "medicine man" did in the past was diagnose symptoms (dropsy, or whatever) - why am I getting an import of an "ancient chinese secret" that is talking about treating diseases?* Once again that's just a generic example of method and ways of thinking and communicating, nothing more - don't read too much into the example in itself - but the process of importing things over.

*still Wayne's World

Re: Why do people so easily accept hoemopathy and Eastern mystic healings?

Malachi — Mon, 13 Aug 2012 23:59:25 GMT

So you have a problem with the medicine man using the word "cancer" or you have a problem with him using a made-up term?

why would I be packaged this "ancient Chinese secret"* to cure cancer?

if this thread is any guide, you wouldnt be packaged anything from the medicine man because you wouldnt ask the medicine man for any ancient secrets, chinese or otherwise. But as for why someone might approach the medicine man instead of a doctor, maybe it has to do with the doctors' record of lies and incompetence with regard to cancer treatment.

Re: Why do people so easily accept hoemopathy and Eastern mystic healings?

vive la insurrection — Mon, 13 Aug 2012 23:57:21 GMT

Back "in the old days" if I came at you with a "pain in my stomach" - was the Medicine Man trying to "cure / treat cancer"?.No, he didn't even know what it was, so why would I be packaged this "ancient Chinese secret"* to cure cancer?

*Wayne's World

Re: Why do people so easily accept hoemopathy and Eastern mystic healings?

Malachi — Mon, 13 Aug 2012 23:50:57 GMT

The problem is when homeopathy tries to speak the "language",mimic the actions, and surplant modern medine on the grounds of medicine, without bearing the same liability (ex: most EMT's, nurse, and doc has been sued/ been to court multiple times). It's a subversive "top down" action.

can you explain this a little more? I thought your problem was the use of unfamiliar terms, as opposed to speaking the same language. I also dont see how a homeopath fails to bear the same liability, as far as I know you can sue them just as easily as any doctor.