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Re: I'd like your thoughts on this...

Physiocrat — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 16:27:35 GMT

The purpose of this forum is foster intelligent comment and debate. Hurling abuse is not conducive to that which is obvious given the forum rules; if it is allowed it especially put off new members from joining particularly when they hold a heterodox (in the context of the forum) postion This is the code of the property owner LvMI. If you violate them they are well within their rights to turf them off your property- i.e. perma ban.

I would encourage courteous PMs but obviously they can't be modded and cause no immediate harm outside the participants so practicably the rules on PMs are laxer; however this does not mean that anything goes.

On the subject of the Szasz lock that was purely my decision. It turned into a serious bitch fest all round so I locked it. I do let some things slide, before people get the impression I'm a long lost relative of Uncle Joe, but personal attacks and abuse are not acceptable.

Aristophanes,

If you have a problem with another member PM a mod (given who tends to be here these days would be me, Muff or Vive) or stick it in the old Member Issues sections and deal with it there. Airing the dirty washing in public is not good form. Autolykos may seem to be highly strung sometimes but he's clearly wanting to wrok within the forum rules which you are deliberately violating and encouraging others to break. Consequently you've got a Three Day Temp Ban.

Autolykos,

Please remove your a Request to John James. It gives a bad impression of you to others and since more modding is now taking place for the first time since Danny Sanchez ceased being active it is unnecessary.

As may be obvious this thread will now be locked too and also graveyarded (within a few days allowing the relevant members to read this post- threads like these do not give a good impression). Any problems with this PM, don't start a thread about it.

Now let's head over to the other thread and discuss Thomaz Szasz who I think is a very interesting theorist despite my limited knowledge of him.

Re: I'd like your thoughts on this...

Autolykos — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:17:52 GMT

That's right.

Re: I'd like your thoughts on this...

National Acrobat — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:44:43 GMT

Ok.

Re: I'd like your thoughts on this...

Autolykos — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:38:03 GMT

National Acrobat:
I highly suggest you reconsider this point. The method of communication has epistemological effects on a message. That is why degrees or certifications are put on paper as opposed to just spoken out loud once acquired. Not accounting for the characteristics of communication on the internet will only lead to frustration and the type of silliness we are witnessing at present.

... I'm not going to reconsider it. See Andrew Cain's first post.

Re: I'd like your thoughts on this...

Autolykos — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:37:04 GMT

jordan161:
On another note, the link in Autolykos' signature is over the top. John James is easily the most helpful member of this site, and I find his posts to edifying most of the time. Given his constant whining and "calling out" of other forum members, Autolykos is definitely a bully; a subtle one, but not as harmless as he appears (eg the locked forum).

I don't think you've seen enough of JJ's behavior, and I think you've seen too little of my own.

Oh and let me add that, in the thread that was locked, I think myhumangetsme was the one who derailed it, not me.

Re: I'd like your thoughts on this...

National Acrobat — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:20:59 GMT

Autolykos: Fifth, I don't give a flying fuck whether it's the internet. That makes no difference to me whatsoever.

I highly suggest you reconsider this point. The method of communication has epistemological effects on a message. That is why degrees or certifications are put on paper as opposed to just spoken out loud once acquired. Not accounting for the characteristics of communication on the internet will only lead to frustration and the type of silliness we are witnessing at present.

Re: I'd like your thoughts on this...

Andrew Cain — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:14:19 GMT

Just because some people at this site do not believe in the validity of copyright law does not mean that everyone else feels the same. Mises could be slapped with a cease and assist letter because someone posted copyright material on their site. See what I mean?

Re: I'd like your thoughts on this...

cab21 — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:11:14 GMT

do the rules of this forum even support the purpose of this website?

i know at least there have been debates about the merit of certain points such as respecting intellectual property, the website has posted articles about intellectual property not even existing. how much of the rules are conformed to usa law rather than debating the merit of usa law?

Re: I'd like your thoughts on this...

Andrew Cain — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:41:54 GMT

If I were still a mod then I would have banned the OP by now.

For anyone who does not know the forum rules, click here

They have been there since the beginning. Note rule two, rule four and rule seven.

Re: I'd like your thoughts on this...

Kelvin Silva — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 07:08:02 GMT

^^^

People are very angry at the government.

Re: I'd like your thoughts on this...

HabbaBabba — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 07:03:11 GMT

Hey, yeah so, still can't buy a car from another country under 25 years old, or absinthe without the right kind wormwood in it, drive over 65 legally, or sell cigarettes on a billboard, but before we get to that, can we all just stop cussing?

Re: I'd like your thoughts on this...

jordan161 — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 06:24:44 GMT

Aristophanes:

I like how I am defensive for asking people if they respect narcs? Do you tell on people when you think they are smoking a joint on the street?

I am just curious as to how many people in here are narcs. Or, rather, think narcing is virtuous. Really.

I don't think narcing is really the issue here - it's the fact that on a forum about Thomas Szasz, Autolykos decided to mention that he reported some comments as offensive. He derailed the thread with his useless comment that could have easily been a pm; I will note, however, that he wasn't the only one who forced the thread to be shut down. Now, within the context of the thread, I can't ask the questions that I wanted to about Szasz's positions and his performance in a debate I wanted to link to (although I do plan to start a new thread).

On another note, the link in Autolykos' signature is over the top. John James is easily the most helpful member of this site, and I find his posts to edifying most of the time. Given his constant whining and "calling out" of other forum members, Autolykos is definitely a bully; a subtle one, but not as harmless as he appears (eg the locked forum).

Re: I'd like your thoughts on this...

myhumangetsme — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 06:06:26 GMT

What I find amusing is that I'm a moderator for a forum that probably gets 50 times the daily traffic this forum gets, and posts are rarely, if ever, reported for language, despite posts/topics where language and tone get further than anything that came up in the Szasz thread (mostly due to people from different countries having trouble communicating). So it was kind of cute to have someone report me for language that was pretty minor compared to what I might see on a daily basis, and I was more than happy to return the favor.

I will say that I was very disappointed that the moderator locked and relegated the thread to the doldrums. As evidenced by the redux, the original topic had valuable content for a continued discussion, and there were plenty of ways that topic could've been modified so it could remain active.

Re: I'd like your thoughts on this...

Kelvin Silva — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 05:06:56 GMT

If someone brought a drink, i wouldnt care.

Re: I'd like your thoughts on this...

Aristophanes — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 04:18:46 GMT

I dunno. OP just sounds pointlessly defensive and combative for really dumb reasons.

I like how I am defensive for asking people if they respect narcs? Do you tell on people when you think they are smoking a joint on the street?

I am just curious as to how many people in here are narcs. Or, rather, think narcing is virtuous. Really.

If you saw someone entering a movie theater and bringing their own drinks inside would you attempt to stop them or tell an employee?