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Re: Voluntaryist Reader declares war on radical Marxism/feminism

vive la insurrection — Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:18:21 GMT

It might be a rule of the grammar that "Slavery" can not be put into a contract within a "voluntary system" (as it may not be possible in certain leftist systems). It's outside the rule set, as "murder": whatever that may mean is automatically illegal in any system.

Either way, that isn't what is interesting, as those are empty sets:

what is interesting is the imperative to act, and phenomenon of action and it's consequence.

Not too sure I get/ agree with most of the arguments going on other than that.

That said this will hopefully be my last words ever wasted on that man who I refuse to name

Re: Voluntaryist Reader declares war on radical Marxism/feminism

Wheylous — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:30:01 GMT

Oh, no.

Re: Voluntaryist Reader declares war on radical Marxism/feminism

Jon Irenicus — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:24:22 GMT

I guess you meant the OP. I took it that you agreed with Tremblay.

Re: Voluntaryist Reader declares war on radical Marxism/feminism

Wheylous — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 00:03:27 GMT

Wait, what?

Re: Voluntaryist Reader declares war on radical Marxism/feminism

Jon Irenicus — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:52:20 GMT

AnCom, AnSyn, mutualism, etc.

I don't think I follow. In what sense do you agree with him?

Re: Voluntaryist Reader declares war on radical Marxism/feminism

Clayton — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:17:04 GMT

Blargg:
Pure gold.

Why, thank you, sir!

Clayton -

Re: Voluntaryist Reader declares war on radical Marxism/feminism

Wheylous — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:41:44 GMT

AnCom, AnSyn, mutualism, etc.

Re: Voluntaryist Reader declares war on radical Marxism/feminism

Jon Irenicus — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:28:43 GMT

Well it depends on what you mean by left-libertarianism. I don't think there's really much to say about cultural left-libertarianism. Or do you refer to anarcho-communism, rather than Long's (or Kevin Carson's) brand of market anarchism?

Re: Voluntaryist Reader declares war on radical Marxism/feminism

Wheylous — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:24:50 GMT

Frankly, I don't think it's earth-shattering. Then again, I already agree with him, so I'm not really the best gauge.

It doesn't take very long to read, so you could give it a read.

I prefer Neodoxy's critique of left-anarchism.

Re: Voluntaryist Reader declares war on radical Marxism/feminism

Jon Irenicus — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:18:12 GMT

There's plenty of critiques of it. Is he bringing anything new to the table?

Re: Voluntaryist Reader declares war on radical Marxism/feminism

Wheylous — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:17:15 GMT

still

What do you mean still? :P

That being said, no one takes us seriously either.

One day I should get around to doing a decent critique of left-libertarianism. Tremblay specifically.

Re: Voluntaryist Reader declares war on radical Marxism/feminism

Jon Irenicus — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:15:27 GMT

People still take Tremblay seriously?

Re: Voluntaryist Reader declares war on radical Marxism/feminism

Wheylous — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:29:23 GMT

That is a powerful sentence indeed.

Re: Voluntaryist Reader declares war on radical Marxism/feminism

Blargg — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:03:32 GMT

And whatever wrong has been done to you is not "society’s fault", it's the fault of individual actors, each of which have chosen at every point to perpetuate a system of coercion and bondage -- the statist order.

Pure gold.

Re: Voluntaryist Reader declares war on radical Marxism/feminism

Physiocrat — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:46:30 GMT

Tremblay is an irritant. He came and trolled on here a few years ago. He's incredibly difficult to discuss with- I remember one time him argue that voluntarists were inconsistent because they use government roads and just repeated it ad nauseum

The only interesting point he may have stumbled across (which he brings up as a comment on Clayton's article) is how much force does there need to be to make a contract illegitimate: if I point a gun at you and force you sign a document that would clearly be wrong however if there's only one business in an area due to a government granted monopoly your employment choices are artifically restricted by force. Can we call the latter truly voluntary?