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Re: Is there proof of George Bush being CIA Director during JFK Presidency?

Aristophanes — Fri, 05 Apr 2013 04:14:24 GMT

Pretty much. If his "tip" to the police was true....then he is pointing to another CIA operation (The anti-castro cuban exiles- the DRE group). One that was headed by G. Joannides, the chief psyop officer in Miami at the time. I don't buy anything in that article, but that really trips me up.

Re: Is there proof of George Bush being CIA Director during JFK Presidency?

Malachi — Fri, 05 Apr 2013 03:53:17 GMT

in any case, zapata petroleum provides an indisputable link. and once you start working for the cia you can never be trusted again.

Re: Is there proof of George Bush being CIA Director during JFK Presidency?

Aristophanes — Fri, 05 Apr 2013 00:58:26 GMT

Thomas J. Devine later rejoined the CIA under non-official cover (NOC) status on 12th June 1963, as a covert commercial asset for Project WUBRINY/LPDICTUM. Joan Mellen points out that: "This CIA document reveals that Thomas Devine had informed George Bush of a CIA project with the cryptonym WUBRINY/LPDICTUM. It involved CIA proprietary commercial operations in foreign countries."

Mellen goes onto argue that this links George Bush to George de Mohrenschildt and Lee Harvey Oswald. "WUBRINY involved Haitian operations, in which, the documents reveal, a participant was George de Mohrenschildt, the Dallas CIA handler of – Lee Oswald." Russ Baker interviewed Devine in 2008 and he refused to say whether he was involved with WUBRINY. However, another CIA officer, Gale Allen, confirmed in another interview that Devine did take part in the project.

There is strong evidence that Bush was working for the CIA during this period. Bush also provided information to the Federal Bureau of Investigation on a proposed assassination attempt by James Parrott of John F. Kennedy. On 29th November, 1963, Bush informed J. Edgar Hoover about a conspiracy involving a group of pro-Castro Cubans in Miami.

highly suspect. I doubt this is real information. I found nothing on that "CIA project."

Have you guys seen "Barry and the boys from Dallas"?

Re: Is there proof of George Bush being CIA Director during JFK Presidency?

Malachi — Fri, 05 Apr 2013 00:16:23 GMT

post pending moderation, click hea

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbushG.htm

Re: Is there proof of George Bush being CIA Director during JFK Presidency?

Malachi — Fri, 05 Apr 2013 00:15:01 GMT

After the war he studied economics at Yale University. In 1951 he establishedBush-Overby Oil Development, an oil-drilling business in Texas. Later he joined forces with Thomas J. Devine, a former CIA officer, to create Zapata Oil. Other major investors included Prescott Bush and Bill Liedtke.

In 1954, Zapata Off-Shore Company was formed as a subsidiary of Zapata Oil, with George H. W. Bush as president of the new company. According to Bush's autobiography, Eugene Meyer, the publisher of the Washington Post, and his son-in-law, Philip Graham, were major investors in the new company.

Zapata Corporation split in 1959 into independent companies Zapata Petroleum and Zapata Off-Shore, headed by Bush, who moved his offices from Midland to Houston. In 1960, Bush created a new company, Perforaciones Marinas del Golfo (Permargo) with Edwin Pauley of Pan American Petroleum. Pauley is alleged to have had close ties to Allen Dulles. During the Second World War Pauley aided the Dulles brothers former clients in shifting Nazi assets out of Europe.

In 1963, Zapata Petroleum merged with South Penn Oil and other companies to become Pennzoil. In his book Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty (2009) Russ Baker argues: "For Devine, who would have been about twenty-seven years old at the time, to resign at such a young age, so soon after the CIA had spent a great deal of time and money training him, was, at minimum, highly unusual. It would turn out, however, that Devine had a special relationship allowing him to come and go from the agency, enabling him to do other things without really leaving its employ."

Thomas J. Devine later rejoined the CIA under non-official cover (NOC) status on 12th June 1963, as a covert commercial asset for Project WUBRINY/LPDICTUM. Joan Mellen points out that: "This CIA document reveals that Thomas Devine had informed George Bush of a CIA project with the cryptonym WUBRINY/LPDICTUM. It involved CIA proprietary commercial operations in foreign countries."

Mellen goes onto argue that this links George Bush to George de Mohrenschildt and Lee Harvey Oswald. "WUBRINY involved Haitian operations, in which, the documents reveal, a participant was George de Mohrenschildt, the Dallas CIA handler of – Lee Oswald." Russ Baker interviewed Devine in 2008 and he refused to say whether he was involved with WUBRINY. However, another CIA officer, Gale Allen, confirmed in another interview that Devine did take part in the project.

There is strong evidence that Bush was working for the CIA during this period. Bush also provided information to the Federal Bureau of Investigation on a proposed assassination attempt by James Parrott ofJohn F. Kennedy. On 29th November, 1963, Bush informed J. Edgar Hoover about a conspiracy involving a group of pro-Castro Cubans in Miami.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbushG.htm

Re: Is there proof of George Bush being CIA Director during JFK Presidency?

limitgov — Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:56:27 GMT

"a smoking gun for what!"

A smoking gun that he was in the CIA when JFK was president.

Re: Is there proof of George Bush being CIA Director during JFK Presidency?

Aristophanes — Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:23:14 GMT

a smoking gun for what!?!?!? What do you think you can prove, other than he was related to CIA, with that?

Re: Is there proof of George Bush being CIA Director during JFK Presidency?

limitgov — Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:00:23 GMT

"the picture is certainly NOT substantial "proof" that (a) it is even GHWB and, further, (b) that GHWB had personally anything to do with it. Like I said many times, ghwB was, at least, a private sector CIA business asset."

i agree,,,the picture isn't proof....its too blurry....but the memo....if its real....that is a smoking gun.

Re: Is there proof of George Bush being CIA Director during JFK Presidency?

Aristophanes — Mon, 01 Apr 2013 15:12:54 GMT

the picture is certainly NOT substantial "proof" that (a) it is even GHWB and, further, (b) that GHWB had personally anything to do with it. Like I said many times, ghwB was, at least, a private sector CIA business asset.

Re: Is there proof of George Bush being CIA Director during JFK Presidency?

limitgov — Mon, 01 Apr 2013 14:09:22 GMT

nice links malachi....

what say the rest of you to that? the photo is sort of distorted and some could say that might not be him....but a memo that says George Bush was a CIA person from that time period is pretty hard to dispute.

Re: Is there proof of George Bush being CIA Director during JFK Presidency?

Malachi — Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:39:22 GMT

http://tomflocco.com/fs/FbiMemoPhotoLinkBushJfk.htm

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/16/was-george-h-w-bush-involved-in-the-assassination-of-jfk/

Re: Is there proof of George Bush being CIA Director during JFK Presidency?

Aristophanes — Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:48:54 GMT

you won't find the evidence that you are looking for. Follow the references on wiki...that is the best you're gonna do. Or you could scower the Center for Intelligence Studies on the cia website? You might find their scholoars have mentioned it?

Re: Is there proof of George Bush being CIA Director during JFK Presidency?

limitgov — Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:28:47 GMT

"limitgov, do you know how to do research yourself? you ask questions that aren't particularly hard to verify, then combat the answers that are given..."

I do apologize if I come off that way. I've gotten down to this question...."was bush a cia asset during jfk presidency"?

i've googled and cannot find a solid answer to this question. not a reliable source, anyway. wiki is not a good enough source for this.

Re: Is there proof of George Bush being CIA Director during JFK Presidency?

Aristophanes — Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:15:47 GMT

limitgov, do you know how to do research yourself? you ask questions that aren't particularly hard to verify, then combat the answers that are given...

Re: Is there proof of George Bush being CIA Director during JFK Presidency?

limitgov — Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:58:36 GMT

"depends on what you mean by "hard proof." I wasnt aware that anyone had suggested that he wasnt, as herman walker bush's cia career is basically considered fact."

There is a difference in "Bush had a CIA career" and Bush was in the CIA when JFK was president.

Just because we might have hard proof that Bush was in the CIA, doesn't mean we have hard proof that he was in the CIA when JFK was president.

It might be "a fact" that Bush was in the CIA. But that doesn't specificy a time period.