Generalhttps://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/27.aspxEverything else.enCommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)Re: Mazdak: the first revolutionary socialist movementhttps://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/517768.aspxMon, 15 Apr 2013 17:04:40 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:517768vive la insurrection0https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/517768.aspxhttps://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=27&PostID=517768<p> In case you&#39;re wondering:</p> <p> PRAXAGORA:&nbsp; Compulsory&nbsp;Universal&nbsp;Community&nbsp;Property&nbsp;is&nbsp;what&nbsp;I&nbsp;propose&nbsp;to&nbsp;propose;&nbsp;across&shy;the&shy;board&nbsp;Economic&nbsp;Equality,&nbsp;to&nbsp;fill&nbsp;those&nbsp;fissures&nbsp;that&nbsp;scar&nbsp;our&nbsp;society&#39;s&nbsp;face.&nbsp; No&nbsp;more&nbsp;the&nbsp;division&nbsp;between&nbsp;Rich&nbsp;and&nbsp;Poor.&nbsp;... ...We&#39;ll&nbsp;wear&nbsp;the&nbsp;same&nbsp;clothes,&nbsp;and&nbsp;share&nbsp;the&nbsp;same&nbsp;food.&nbsp;...&nbsp;</p> <p> ...My&nbsp;initial&nbsp;move&nbsp;will&nbsp;be&nbsp;to&nbsp;communalize&nbsp;land,&nbsp;and&nbsp;money,&nbsp;and&nbsp;all&nbsp;other&nbsp;property,&nbsp;personal&nbsp;and&nbsp;real</p> <p> BLEPYROS: But&nbsp;take&nbsp;the&nbsp;landless&nbsp;man&nbsp;who&#39;s&nbsp;invisibly&nbsp;wealthy...because&nbsp;he&nbsp;hides&nbsp;his&nbsp;silver&nbsp;and&nbsp;gold&nbsp;in&nbsp;his&nbsp;pockets.&nbsp;What&nbsp;about&nbsp;him?&nbsp;</p> <p> PRAXAGORA: He&#39;ll&nbsp;deposit&nbsp;it&nbsp;all&nbsp;in&nbsp;the&nbsp;Fund.&nbsp;... ...I&#39;ll&nbsp;knock&nbsp;out&nbsp;walls&nbsp;and&nbsp;remodel&nbsp;the&nbsp;City&nbsp;into&nbsp;one&nbsp;big&nbsp;happy&nbsp;household,&nbsp;where&nbsp;all&nbsp;can&nbsp;come&nbsp;and&nbsp;go&nbsp;as&nbsp;they&nbsp;choose.&nbsp;...&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p> ...I&#39;m&nbsp;pooling&nbsp;the&nbsp;women,&nbsp;creating&nbsp;a&nbsp;public&nbsp;hoard&nbsp;for&nbsp;the&nbsp;use&nbsp;of&nbsp;every&nbsp;man&nbsp;who&nbsp;wishes&nbsp;to&nbsp;take&nbsp;them&nbsp;to&nbsp;bed&nbsp;and&nbsp;make&nbsp;babies.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p> BLEPYROS: A&nbsp;system&nbsp;like&nbsp;this&nbsp;requires&nbsp;a&nbsp;pretty&nbsp;wise&nbsp;father&nbsp;to&nbsp;know&nbsp;his&nbsp;own&nbsp;children.</p> <p> PRAXAGORA: But&nbsp;why&nbsp;does&nbsp;he&nbsp;need&nbsp;to?&nbsp;Age&nbsp;is&nbsp;the&nbsp;new&nbsp;criterion:&nbsp;Children&nbsp;will&nbsp;henceforth&nbsp;trace&nbsp;their&nbsp;descent&nbsp;from&nbsp;all&nbsp;men&nbsp;who&nbsp;might&nbsp;have&nbsp;begot&nbsp;them.&nbsp;...&nbsp;</p> <p> BLEPYROS: Who&#39;s&nbsp;going&nbsp;to&nbsp;work&nbsp;the&nbsp;land&nbsp;and&nbsp;produce&nbsp;the&nbsp;food?&nbsp;</p> <p> PRAXAGORA: The&nbsp;slaves.&nbsp;This&nbsp;leaves&nbsp;you&nbsp;just&nbsp;one&nbsp;civic&nbsp;function:&nbsp;When&nbsp;the&nbsp;shades&nbsp;of&nbsp;night&nbsp;draw&nbsp;on,&nbsp;slip&nbsp;sleekly&nbsp;down&nbsp;to&nbsp;dinner.&nbsp;...&nbsp;</p> <p> ...The&nbsp;State&#39;s&nbsp;not&nbsp;going&nbsp;to&nbsp;stint.&nbsp;Its&nbsp;hand&nbsp;is&nbsp;full&nbsp;and&nbsp;open,&nbsp;its&nbsp;heart&nbsp;is&nbsp;large,&nbsp;it&#39;ll&nbsp;stuff&nbsp;its&nbsp;menfolk&nbsp;free&nbsp;of&nbsp;charge,&nbsp;</p> <p> then&nbsp;issue&nbsp;them&nbsp;torches&nbsp;when&nbsp;dinner&#39;s&nbsp;done&nbsp;and&nbsp;send&nbsp; them&nbsp;out&nbsp;to&nbsp;hunt&nbsp;for&nbsp;fun.</p> <p> From Aristophanes <i>Ekklesiazousai</i></p> <p> So far as I know this may the 1st time the doctrine was ever spelled out loud (390 BC).&nbsp; You can probably look at wikipedia for the plot summary, or better yet,&nbsp;just read the play - it&#39;s funny.</p> <p> Even more amusing is that she, honestly enough, pins the work on the slaves.</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>Mazdak: the first revolutionary socialist movementhttps://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/517767.aspxMon, 15 Apr 2013 16:37:23 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:517767vive la insurrection0https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/517767.aspxhttps://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=27&PostID=517767<p> I probably posted something like this before, but just in case I havent:</p> <p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazdak">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazdak</a></p> <p> &nbsp;I think this may the 1st revolutionary egalitarian&nbsp;socialist doctrine put to practice.</p> <p> One can find some earlier references in some Greek writings: such as certain fashionable ideas of the time&nbsp;being made fun of in&nbsp;some comedies by Aristophanes - but as far as I know this is the first time the real deal occured at a conscience level.</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>