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Re: Public Education or Government Prison Camp

nick — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:40:35 GMT

Don Roberto:
nick:
And the informed know that education was exactly what school was meant to prevent, instead churning out one mass-produced person after another valuing as truth their pre-thought thoughts from teachers in school and stenographers on television.

That reminds of how the subject History of Economic Thought gets in my university first taught when one has entered the master-program. So for the first three years you just get taught some already set ideas that you have almost no knowledge of where they come from. Yes, there is a possibilty to take familiar classes earlier but that is only voluntary and you'd have to find them yourselves. The one I attented consisted of about 5 students, three of whom where regular. Luckily there was a positive aspect to it - since there were so few of us, we quickly raced through the main framework and got to concentrate on the issues that we were interested in. We got to choose which schools we'd like to analyze more closely.

I was mostly referring to lower levels of school, like grade, middle, and high school, but I remember it applies to college, as well. There was only one real interdisciplinary course I took, which was essential to opening my eyes.

After four years of public high school, all I had was a head full of disconnected facts half-rememberd. If I didn't have a name, date, of place to memorize, I had a hard time thinking beyond the narrow confines of specifically defined topics.

But this course in college taught the history of ideas and counted for history, philosophy, theology, and English credit. It examined the history of great ideas of Western Thought through reading actual source materials (Genesis, The Odyssey, Inferno, The Prince, Rousseau, Locke, Weill, etc.). I was in way over my head at times, but it made me realize how inadequate state schools really are, and how the scam is played to condition students into performing for treats and to avoid punishment.

School and education are mutually exclusive terms.

Re: Public Education or Government Prison Camp

Juan — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:53:40 GMT

Yes, these episodes such as the jailing of children are sick and absurd, BUT, are they really out of the ordinary ?

How many people are in jail right now because they´ve comitted victimless ´crimes´ ?

How many people have been mass murdered in the 20th century by the American(1) gov´t ? and Iraq anyone ?

If there´s a flaw in human naure, then this little incident is no big deal - it just shows where things are heading to...

(1)Of course, the same is true for other western ´democracies´.

Re: Public Education or Government Prison Camp

Don Roberto — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:26:17 GMT

tim:
Don Roberto:
What would be the next step?
Our thinking abilities?

Don't worry, that was one of the first things they started to hamper by presenting us with the 'right' information.

Re: Public Education or Government Prison Camp

Don Roberto — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:23:40 GMT

nick:
And the informed know that education was exactly what school was meant to prevent, instead churning out one mass-produced person after another valuing as truth their pre-thought thoughts from teachers in school and stenographers on television.

That reminds of how the subject History of Economic Thought gets in my university first taught when one has entered the master-program. So for the first three years you just get taught some already set ideas that you have almost no knowledge of where they come from. Yes, there is a possibilty to take familiar classes earlier but that is only voluntary and you'd have to find them yourselves. The one I attented consisted of about 5 students, three of whom where regular. Luckily there was a positive aspect to it - since there were so few of us, we quickly raced through the main framework and got to concentrate on the issues that we were interested in. We got to choose which schools we'd like to analyze more closely.

Re: Public Education or Government Prison Camp

reidbump — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:15:15 GMT

Wow. I went to law school with a daughter and son of that judge. It's really a shame. I sent them an email today asking what's the deal. I'll post the response.

Re: Public Education or Government Prison Camp

nick — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:49:33 GMT

Ed D.:
Mark B.:

This caught my eye today.

http://www.wftv.com/news/14858405/detail.html

All the school officials and law enforcement involved should be hung like the Nazi thugs they are. I think the immediate abolition of public education should be prime on the libertarian agenda.

Of course , the state will not let our people go , as is seen here :

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59229

In the article , it appears that the poor woman may need to sue the State of Utah right along with the judge in Federal Court. If indeed Utah law does not allow for jury trials in criminal , misdemeanor cases Utah is in direct violation of her rights under the U.S. Constitution , which provides :

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed...(6th Amendment)

What caught my eye in the second story linked was the judge's blanket statement that homeschooling is a failure. After the colossal failure of state public schooling, a state representative defends state schooling by issuing a royal decree stating that private schooling a failure and orders children to enter into the state public school system.

Most everyone who's ever gone to public school knows that school fails to educate anyone. And the informed know that education was exactly what school was meant to prevent, instead churning out one mass-produced person after another valuing as truth their pre-thought thoughts from teachers in school and stenographers on television.

Re: Public Education or Government Prison Camp

tim — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:22:31 GMT

Don Roberto:
What would be the next step?

Our thinking abilities?

Re: Public Education or Government Prison Camp

Don Roberto — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:08:52 GMT

What is the world coming to? Good luck to them trying to get rid of all the weapons. Guns go first, then knives and forkes, don't think that even the plastic ones will be forgiven. What would be the next step? Perhaps pens get abolished or just sharpe pencils? And don't think it would stop there.

Giving in to our fears is probabaly the best way to stop existing, enjoy life while you still can.

Re: Public Education or Government Prison Camp

Ed D. — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:51:11 GMT

Mark B.:

This caught my eye today.

http://www.wftv.com/news/14858405/detail.html

All the school officials and law enforcement involved should be hung like the Nazi thugs they are. I think the immediate abolition of public education should be prime on the libertarian agenda.

Of course , the state will not let our people go , as is seen here :

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59229

In the article , it appears that the poor woman may need to sue the State of Utah right along with the judge in Federal Court. If indeed Utah law does not allow for jury trials in criminal , misdemeanor cases Utah is in direct violation of her rights under the U.S. Constitution , which provides :

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed...(6th Amendment)

Re: Public Education or Government Prison Camp

jtucker — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:42:04 GMT

That is just incredible! the machine works without regard to human lives.

I can recall that I carried a pocket knife to school every day. It was just what boys did.

Public Education or Government Prison Camp

Mark B. — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:02:49 GMT

This caught my eye today.

http://www.wftv.com/news/14858405/detail.html

All the school officials and law enforcement involved should be hung like the Nazi thugs they are. I think the immediate abolition of public education should be prime on the libertarian agenda.