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Re: if not here, where?

Libertine Joseph — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:36:19 GMT

Been tried. Guess what? The investor was a libertarian.

Republic of Minerva

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva

Michael Oliver

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Oliver_(real_estate)

Re: if not here, where?

Solid_Choke — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:48:14 GMT

bigwig:

Does anyone think it would be possible for a few wealthy investors to buy an island or a deserted part of a continent + sovereignty from a poor nation for 50-100m, then sink another 50m for infrastructure and defense and a few businesses that would benefit from being stateless, like elective surgery and other things that have been manipulated to inflated prices?

Or is this just a pipe dream? In a way, it certainly seems simpler (as in less things to go wrong) than agorism.

Only simply AFTER you have all the money and people.

Re: if not here, where?

bigwig — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:08:25 GMT

Does anyone think it would be possible for a few wealthy investors to buy an island or a deserted part of a continent + sovereignty from a poor nation for 50-100m, then sink another 50m for infrastructure and defense and a few businesses that would benefit from being stateless, like elective surgery and other things that have been manipulated to inflated prices?

Or is this just a pipe dream? In a way, it certainly seems simpler (as in less things to go wrong) than agorism.

Re: if not here, where?

iddqd — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:02:37 GMT

I see. Seems like Singapore is a bad choice then. Any other suggestions?

Re: if not here, where?

sirmonty — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:00:22 GMT

And they have no qualms about punishing people for utilizing free speech. Certainly not something friendly to "radicals" like Libertarians....

Re: if not here, where?

Solid_Choke — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:43:16 GMT

nazgulnarsil:

Singapore is currently our best bet. Be aware of strict laws about certain freedoms though. Drugs offenses will get you hanged for example.

I think it is important to note that the harsh penalties (like execution) are for drug trafficking, not drug using. Your main point still stands.

Re: if not here, where?

nazgulnarsil — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:15:38 GMT

Singapore is currently our best bet. Be aware of strict laws about certain freedoms though. Drugs offenses will get you hanged for example.

Re: if not here, where?

Nick. B — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:03:10 GMT

I've heard of an organisation run by Roderick T. Long called the Molinari Society, hope that helps.

Re: if not here, where?

Solid_Choke — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:03:57 GMT

iddqd:

I think they do. http://spf.gov.sg/licence/frameset_AE.html

Sorry for the bump by the way, but I think this thread needs it.

"Question: What are the laws regarding gun ownership? Are shooting facilities available and open to the public? Specifically are skeet and sporting clays facilities available? What about private gun/handgun ownership?

Answer: Gun ownership in Singapore is illegal. There is however a private gun club which provides rifles and ammunition for skeet and trap shooting. Membership costs S$3300 plus S$300 a year."

Source: http://www.expatsingapore.com/content/view/1107

Re: if not here, where?

iddqd — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:06:45 GMT

I think they do. http://spf.gov.sg/licence/frameset_AE.html

Sorry for the bump by the way, but I think this thread needs it.

Re: if not here, where?

Solid_Choke — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:23:41 GMT

jeff fogel:

Things are beginning to look bleak here. Margaret Thatcher spoke of the 'rachet effect' with regard to conservatism. In other words, freedom cannot advance; it can only hold its place. To that end, this country seems to be on an ineluctable slide to socialism, with an attendant loss of liberties. So my question is, is there any other place that is any better in terms of freedom?

I've always been impressed by the economic freedom in Singapore, but unless they permit the ownership of firearms I won't be doing anything other than visiting.

Re: if not here, where?

jeff fogel — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:28:09 GMT

Sorry about that. Here, as in USA.

Re: if not here, where?

Bogart — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:18:36 GMT

That is easy: The ex-communist countries of the Pacific Rim are experiencing great gains in freedom. Given the populations of these countries, more humans are experiencing more freedom than ever before.

As for the West, I think it is not bleak but certainly people are not keeping their current freedoms. The reasons are the same: 1. Aggressive foreign policy. 2. The economics of Keynes. 3. Large portions of the population are dependent on government. etc. In other words the old aggressive ideology of Fascism is on the march again.

Re: if not here, where?

liberty student — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:04:30 GMT

Jeff, we're on the internet, so when you say "here", where exactly do you mean?

if not here, where?

jeff fogel — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:45:45 GMT

Things are beginning to look bleak here. Margaret Thatcher spoke of the 'rachet effect' with regard to conservatism. In other words, freedom cannot advance; it can only hold its place. To that end, this country seems to be on an ineluctable slide to socialism, with an attendant loss of liberties. So my question is, is there any other place that is any better in terms of freedom?