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Re: Constitutional Convention

Mark B. — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:49:23 GMT

James Redford:
The point of the critics of this push is that it won't be used for what its advocates claim, and that it's being implemented from the top-down, instead of being an actual grass-roots movement. So your critique regarding the political infeasibility of a balanced budget, etc., just reinforces the point that the actual grass-roots critics of this are making. Their point is that this is a Trojan horse by interests who intend nothing nice for the U.S. masses.

I don't doubt that there are individuals pushing for this convention whose motives are less than wholesome.

But again, it is the Congress that must consider these petitions and call the convention.

Politicians despise giving up power and influence. Consider what could come out of a convention. Balanced Budget Amendment. Term limits. Hard money requirements. All three things that would likely be quickly ratified. All things that would bring Congress's free wheeling ways to an end. Congress does not want these things to happen and thus would use every tool at their disposal to prevent a convention from happening.

If a convention did happen, it would likely be a mess. Your not going to get a collection of hard core ideologues but rather a mixed bag of various persuasions. So you will likely get balanced budget and term limits. After that, I am sure progressives would attempt to get an amendment to repeal the second amendment and the tenth amendment. Conservatives would go for their anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage and flag burning amendments.

I think in the end, little would actually get ratified, with the exception of term limits and balanced budget.

The 38 state requirement for ratification is a much tougher barrier than people realize.

Re: Constitutional Convention

James Redford — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:42:40 GMT

Mark B.:
This whole Constitutional Convention thing is garnering a lot more attention than I think it warrants. What is unsaid is that the 32 existing calls are more than 25 years old. It is unlikely that Congress will honor non contemporaneous calls for a Constitutional Convention.

Congress has no desire to see a Constitutional Convention convened. A Convention that could pass a balanced budget amendment. Or worse yet, a Convention that could pass term limits. Congress has much to lose and little to gain by a Convention. Thus, they will use every technicality to block a Convention from occuring. One of those technicalities will be the issue of convention petition being contemporaneous.

Even if a Convention is convened, 38 states must ratify any proposed amendments. So fears of a "run-a-way" Convention are unfounded.

The point of the critics of this push is that it won't be used for what its advocates claim, and that it's being implemented from the top-down, instead of being an actual grass-roots movement. So your critique regarding the political infeasibility of a balanced budget, etc., just reinforces the point that the actual grass-roots critics of this are making. Their point is that this is a Trojan horse by interests who intend nothing nice for the U.S. masses.

Re: Constitutional Convention

Mark B. — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:05:16 GMT

This whole Constitutional Convention thing is garnering a lot more attention than I think it warrants. What is unsaid is that the 32 existing calls are more than 25 years old. It is unlikely that Congress will honor non contemporaneous calls for a Constitutional Convention.

Congress has no desire to see a Constitutional Convention convened. A Convention that could pass a balanced budget amendment. Or worse yet, a Convention that could pass term limits. Congress has much to lose and little to gain by a Convention. Thus, they will use every technicality to block a Convention from occuring. One of those technicalities will be the issue of convention petition being contemporaneous.

Even if a Convention is convened, 38 states must ratify any proposed amendments. So fears of a "run-a-way" Convention are unfounded.

Constitutional Convention

Conza88 — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:58:05 GMT

It's happening...

1/7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoD0gRsd90Q
2/7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voF2FwWCgnY
3/7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-2XyOq7GW0
4/7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOISF2eXosg
5/7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH020Ok1k6Y
6/7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a9lj4NdwMM

News Articles:

Globalist Constitutional Convention Dealt a Defeat in Ohio
http://www.infowars.com/?p=6507

Update on Ohio’s HJR 8 Call for Constitutional Convention
http://www.peacechicken.com/2008/12/...al-convention/

U.S. now only 2 states away from rewriting Constitution
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=83364

Update on Ohio Con-Con: VICTORY for now
http://www.ohiofreedom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2198

Something to think about... that's for sure.