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Re: freemason libertarians?

DanielMuff — Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:09:12 GMT

I stand corrected.

Re: freemason libertarians?

CrazyCoot — Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:21:01 GMT

¨My understanding is that these organizations recruit and accept prominent people in their communities. Whether they have secret agendas to rule the world is... a secrect. But not all of them have lizard eyes and drink goat blood. I don't really think they are any different than frats and sororieties and other student orgs in college. But obviously there are members that are into statist stuff; Bush family, et al.¨

They don't recruit people, you have to ask to join. And members come from a wide cross-section of society. Groups like Skull and Bones, Bilderberg, Trilateral, CFR etc do actively recruit folks in positions of power or from influential families. They are not connected.

Politics and religion are not discussed in lodge meetings, it's against the rules.

Frankly a lot of this paranoia about Satanism etc came from a Church and State that were scared of guys meeting in secret. They hate it when they can´t listen in on what people think and say 24-7. And I highly doubt there are a high number of Satanists, seeing as most Satanists are in fact atheists and you have to believe in some form of a higher power to be a Freemason.

Re: freemason libertarians?

Wheylous — Tue, 22 Nov 2011 04:08:29 GMT

On a side note, Ron Paul wins the atheist vote in Iowa:

https://img.skitch.com/20111119-t1e5affuxipicak2eq55hnyj95.jpg

Re: freemason libertarians?

Porco Rosso — Tue, 22 Nov 2011 02:07:00 GMT

Seems to me that "secularization" or whatever tends towards statism more than anything else.

Re: freemason libertarians?

Jargon — Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:14:41 GMT

I'm inclined to agree with you except that this kind of thing doesn't come into sight until one is a very high-ranked member (30th degree and above). So it's more than likely that 99.9% of freemasons have no intention of dominating the world or raping children.

Re: freemason libertarians?

DanielMuff — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:46:50 GMT

My understanding is that these organizations recruit and accept prominent people in their communities. Whether they have secret agendas to rule the world is... a secrect. But not all of them have lizard eyes and drink goat blood. I don't really think they are any different than frats and sororieties and other student orgs in college. But obviously there are members that are into statist stuff; Bush family, et al.

Re: freemason libertarians?

James — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 13:55:12 GMT

Why would you want to advocate for truth and justice in a Satanic organisation founded upon secrecy, lies and special privilege?

Re: freemason libertarians?

CrazyCoot — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 13:53:23 GMT

It's an apolitical organization. Members have different political viewpoints.

Re: freemason libertarians?

gussosa — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:32:27 GMT

From Merriam-Webster

secularization

Main Entry:: sec·u·lar·ize
Pronunciation:: \ˈse-kyə-lə-ˌrīz\
Function:: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s):: sec·u·lar·ized; sec·u·lar·iz·ing
Date:: 1611

1 : to make secular 2 : to transfer from ecclesiastical to civil or lay use, possession, or control 3 : to convert to or imbue with secularism

— sec·u·lar·i·za·tion \ˌse-kyə-lə-rə-ˈzā-shən\ noun

— sec·u·lar·iz·er noun

=============================================================================

My bad I guess.

What I meant by secularization is the separation of state matters from religious matters. For example, taking away the crucifixes from every hospital bed is always considered a secularization act. However, the hospital may have been founded by the government without any intervention of the Church.

Of course the Church considers secularization offensive because "she" (?) loses access to tax funds and can't enforce faith by coercion anymore.

As Rothbard puts it in "For a New Liberty", libertarians ask not just for the separation of state from church, but from everything in the world.

freemason libertarians?

gussosa — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:13:22 GMT

I was investigating anarchist tendencies in freemasonry, as many lodges advocated secularization and a natural progression of that idea is our capitalist libertarianism. Then came across this post:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread350849/pg1

Now, can you tell me if there are any Freemason lodges working on libertarian principles?

I have been disappointed by the intellectual level of most freemasons I have met. There even was this guy who hired someone else to write the essay on the meaning of the letter G (God and Geometry, is in the cover of the book pal!). But I am interested in knowing one who might even be using Human Action as work-book.

I am an atheist, so I really don't expect to join a lodge.