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Re: Anarchism : Right vs Left

hayekianxyz — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:22:06 GMT

Just compare the Property & Freedom Society to, say, the Molinari Institute.

Re: Anarchism : Right vs Left

Marko — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:40:48 GMT

Left vs Right is like Bruce Springsteen vs Bob Seger.

To the un-initiated, what`s the difference?

Re: Anarchism : Right vs Left

Nitroadict — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:18:23 GMT

Conza88:

Well outside of anarchism, it is a false paradigm. Both the left and right wings, are socialist. It serves as keeping the unknowing person within the box, within the paradigm. If someone is able enough to contend, that the "left" has some good aspects, and so does the "right" - they inevitably choose the 'middle ground'. Which ends up being the middle of the road policy, which steal leads to socialism.

Libertarianism is outside of that fold entirely imo.

You're either moving forwards towards freedom, or backwards towards tyranny.

I largley agree, but as of late would extend that left & right might also be false paradigm's in the context of even anarchism and/or liberarianism.

If one is a libertarian and/or anarchist, but one does not want to play games with the LL's (Left-Libertarian) or whoever the RL's (Right Libertarian) are, where does one go from there?

Never mind the other debate entirley whether or not libertarianism is any longer an effective term to utilize (i.e. similar to how anarcho-captialism could just as easily be descriebd as multiarchy or eklektarchy or perhaps even Panarchy) in of itself anymore.

Re: Anarchism : Right vs Left

Conza88 — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:07:45 GMT

Well outside of anarchism, it is a false paradigm. Both the left and right wings, are socialist. It serves as keeping the unknowing person within the box, within the paradigm. If someone is able enough to contend, that the "left" has some good aspects, and so does the "right" - they inevitably choose the 'middle ground'. Which ends up being the middle of the road policy, which steal leads to socialism.

Libertarianism is outside of that fold entirely imo.

You're either moving forwards towards freedom, or backwards towards tyranny.

Re: Anarchism : Right vs Left

David Z — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:46:59 GMT

Ditto

There's a lot to like on the right, as well as on the left. Myself, I think a lot of "leftism" is just plain wrong. Not to absolve the right, however: they are ignorant to a fault, and often.

And also, what Marko said. There's a lot of baggage on both "sides" as it were. To take but one example, try to find all the hidden assumptions in the word "capitalism". The left uses some variant of Marx's definition, which differs greatly from a more "right"-libertarian definition, however, the ignorant assumptions on the right aren't much better. Put the two together, in an argument, and more often than not what ensues is the two sides talking right past one another. It's hard to have a meeting of the minds when the question cannot even be agreed upon.

Re: Anarchism : Right vs Left

Marko — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:37:05 GMT

It is very ambigious. Today as well as historicaly.

In my opinion the left-right divide is so ambigious because it has, for the most part, not really been about the political system, but really about personal preferences. It is really more about all sorts of baggage, like if you think Voltaire was a good writter or a dilettante. Rather than about what powers you would give to the police and so on.

What the left proposed politicaly speaking in different countries and different eras varies greatly. Also what the right proposed in different eras and countries varies greatly. And there is enormous amount of overlap between what the two have at one point in time and place proposed.

The only thing where there is some consistency is their personal preferences, their vocabulary, their stated world view, their stated role models and so on (albeit they shift in time and place too, but at least there is some sense of continuity through some soft transition).

Anarchism : Right vs Left

Voievod — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:27:19 GMT

What's the difference?

I always thought the distinction was:

right = free markets

left = against markets/money, for comunal living or living in something like The Matrix or on The Axiom (see: Wall-E).

What do you guys think?