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Re: Have Austrian Economics and Libertarianism Influenced You in Daily Life?

Knight_of_BAAWA — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:31:52 GMT

Jacob Bloom:
Instead of answering all these posts, I will simply say that in some cases, most of the objections raised against me are literally protests of the weak against the strong.

No, they're proper logic against contradictions.

Re: Have Austrian Economics and Libertarianism Influenced You in Daily Life?

AJ — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:34:22 GMT

Spideynw:

Jacob Bloom:
I don't care so much about ideas per se. I care about actions.

Then you have no understanding of power. Ideas are the ultimate power. Power is not being able to kill someone. Power is being able to kill someone and then convince everyone that it was OK. Power is not about being able to steal from someone, but about stealing from someone and then convincing everyone that it was OK. Government is one big sales pitch. It is all about confusion and disinformation. Governments can only do as much as the general populace will allow it to do. It is all about ideas.

Damn, that was a cool post. Saved.

Re: Have Austrian Economics and Libertarianism Influenced You in Daily Life?

Harry Felker — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:15:47 GMT

Spideynw:
Then you have no understanding of power.

He understand only the power of the lash

Re: Have Austrian Economics and Libertarianism Influenced You in Daily Life?

Spideynw — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:52:13 GMT

Jacob Bloom:
I don't care so much about ideas per se. I care about actions.

Then you have no understanding of power. Ideas are the ultimate power. Power is not being able to kill someone. Power is being able to kill someone and then convince everyone that it was OK. Power is not about being able to steal from someone, but about stealing from someone and then convincing everyone that it was OK. Government is one big sales pitch. It is all about confusion and disinformation. Governments can only do as much as the general populace will allow it to do. It is all about ideas.

So what we are fighting are not necessarily murderers and thieves, but ideas. And all of us have the ability to fight ideas. We can blog, we can financially support organizations trying to educate people, and any other number of things to help spread the word.

Re: Have Austrian Economics and Libertarianism Influenced You in Daily Life?

Harry Felker — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:35:54 GMT

Jacob Bloom:

Instead of answering all these posts, I will simply say that in some cases, most of the objections raised against me are literally protests of the weak against the strong.

You're trying to use morality and guilt as a weapon against something that is immune to those weapons.

I don't fear being "evil" or "communist" or whatever to you people, so I won't change my position just to fit in. Because blending in on this site would give me nothing but some artificial sense of community that I don't really care about.

I don't care so much about ideas per se. I care about actions. Talking on this site reminds me of when I was a kid and we would run around with nerf guns and yell "you're dead, I got you" and then I'd say "No, you didn't, I'm ok." Or vice versa. If ancap is as practically sound as you say it is, then it shouldn't be a problem to make it a reality. Except that ancap is fundamentally weak because it refuses to use force to get what it wants. Which is fine. But that's weak. It's a nerf gun philosophy.

So go away....

We could better spend our time working on educating and acting instead of listen to you whine about how people are applying guilt to you because you see lack of government as an opportunity to rape a man in the street...

But thanks for outing yourself Jake, I will aim for the groin first, to at least avoid the rape...

Re: Have Austrian Economics and Libertarianism Influenced You in Daily Life?

Jacob Bloom — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:26:42 GMT

I also wanted to say that ancap is in a sense absolute individualism. Which is appealing for obvious reasons but it's not realistic to me.

Anyways, instead of continuing our nerf gun philosophy wars, I have started a new thread called "Anarcho-Capitalism deserves its shot" and its more of an action oriented thread.

Re: Have Austrian Economics and Libertarianism Influenced You in Daily Life?

Harry Felker — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:26:35 GMT

Spideynw:
So yes, you are right, in that he thinks entrepreneurs would be able to exploit the poor, or that there would be some bourgeoisie class and some pletariat class. And he thinks he is small government.

When I finish my findings and write the piece I will mail you a link to it

Re: Have Austrian Economics and Libertarianism Influenced You in Daily Life?

Jon Irenicus — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:26:29 GMT

Well perhaps in the way of your philosophy then I should extirpate you. Your own incoherent garbage is what is "weak". Good riddance. The end is upon you.

Re: Have Austrian Economics and Libertarianism Influenced You in Daily Life?

Jacob Bloom — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:22:37 GMT

Instead of answering all these posts, I will simply say that in some cases, most of the objections raised against me are literally protests of the weak against the strong.

You're trying to use morality and guilt as a weapon against something that is immune to those weapons.

I don't fear being "evil" or "communist" or whatever to you people, so I won't change my position just to fit in. Because blending in on this site would give me nothing but some artificial sense of community that I don't really care about.

I don't care so much about ideas per se. I care about actions. Talking on this site reminds me of when I was a kid and we would run around with nerf guns and yell "you're dead, I got you" and then I'd say "No, you didn't, I'm ok." Or vice versa. If ancap is as practically sound as you say it is, then it shouldn't be a problem to make it a reality. Except that ancap is fundamentally weak because it refuses to use force to get what it wants. Which is fine. But that's weak. It's a nerf gun philosophy.

Re: Have Austrian Economics and Libertarianism Influenced You in Daily Life?

Harry Felker — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:19:18 GMT

Jacob Bloom:
crime lords live ancap lifestyles.

No they do not...

Been there, Organized criminals, hell all real professional criminals know, without government their services are less valued...

Do not be on the outside looking in and try to understand the criminals world

Jacob Bloom:
Also, what you're basically telling me is that everyone will know they need to own sniper rifles and bombs.

This, Jake, is the reasoning of the second amendment, not that everyone will HAVE TO own and operate weapons, but anyone can, do you want to gamble on being on the business end of a final arbiter? The Second Amendment basically made it illegal for the government ot do anything about individuals owning weapons in the United States to be a constant threat against tyranny....

Jacob Bloom:
You gonna make sniper rifles and bombs legal to own?

They are supposed to be, it is a constitutional violation to ban these items (yes Jake this was one of the reasons I liked limited government, then I realized that the fallacy was that they would, by use of public welfare, subvert the restrictions on themselves and ban items from people)

Jacob Bloom:
Is there going to be a bomb store in your region? Or am I going to have to resort to terrorist activity to get my fair hearing?!

You should not have to, the fact that anyone could is a deterrent enough to encourage neutral behavior (I know not to you, but I am sure you are the minority)

I am going to correct this last sentence for you....

Jacob Bloom:
The current system is better, I don't have to be able to threaten anyone with a sniper rifle or a bomb to get biased legal protection under the state.

We will not mention that even your idea of limited government is backwards, the people are not under the state, in the limited government that most aggrandize, Constitutional Republic, the individual is the ultimate authority, and the state is bound under the authority of the individual....

Re: Have Austrian Economics and Libertarianism Influenced You in Daily Life?

Spideynw — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:13:50 GMT

Harry Felker:
The problem is Spidey, that Jakobski believes that in a free society the poor will have nothing, there will be no middle class, it will be an elite (Bourgeoisie) and a poor (Proletariat), the poor will have to be subject to the elite because the evil capitalists will exploit them, he completely ignores that the poor have more money than each individual elite in his scenario, and have more power to purchase than they do....

Yeah, in his later post, he claims that someone would be wealthy enough to have a personal army. What he does not understand is that in a free society, most likely no one would be able to become that wealthy, comparitively speaking. In other words, there would be a pretty even distribution of wealth.

So yes, you are right, in that he thinks entrepreneurs would be able to exploit the poor, or that there would be some bourgeoisie class and some pletariat class. And he thinks he is small government.

Re: Have Austrian Economics and Libertarianism Influenced You in Daily Life?

Harry Felker — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:04:37 GMT

Spideynw:

Jacob Bloom:
No, but I know some people will be able to afford to go to court as many times as they need to to get the ruling they want. Some people won't be able to afford to go to court at all. Those people will have no rights and no protection in your anarchist region.

You don't understand neutral courts. A court that is biased towards the wealthy, will not get money from the middle class and poor. Second of all, the reason people want a neutral court is to avoid retribution. A wealthy person that just "gets his or her way" will still have to worry about retribution from the other person.

The problem is Spidey, that Jakobski believes that in a free society the poor will have nothing, there will be no middle class, it will be an elite (Bourgeoisie) and a poor (Proletariat), the poor will have to be subject to the elite because the evil capitalists will exploit them, he completely ignores that the poor have more money than each individual elite in his scenario, and have more power to purchase than they do....

He in reality is exactly what Marquise was telling me about on the phone the other day, in America there is a statist fusion of sorts, like an nationalist communist movement...

I am going to explore this, maybe write a piece on my findings...

Re: Have Austrian Economics and Libertarianism Influenced You in Daily Life?

Harry Felker — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:57:11 GMT

Jacob Bloom:
You have fear. You fear prison.

No, been there, it is like club med... I just prefer to not be there, has nothing to do with fear Jake, but I know it is hard for you to believe that people live without fear when you fear what you would do if you did not have big brother...

Re: Have Austrian Economics and Libertarianism Influenced You in Daily Life?

Harry Felker — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:53:47 GMT

Lilburne:
About half of his posts are based on that conflation.

Lil, you are too generous....

All his posts declare privilege of the strong over the weak...

Rights to him are a myth...

Re: Have Austrian Economics and Libertarianism Influenced You in Daily Life?

Conza88 — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:48:03 GMT

Knight_of_BAAWA:

Jacob Bloom:
So wait a minute, you're the rich guy, you get a ruling against me. You've got your own private army too.
Oh, you're one of THOSE idiots who thinks "private army" is like the mercs for a drug lord. It's not.

Please PLEASE PLEASE disabuse yourself of the Hollywood stupidity.

This guy is worse than 1001nights...