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Re: Northern populations are more intelligent because living conditions are harsher ?

Southern — Tue, 11 May 2010 19:53:58 GMT

Could you guys take the junk about IQ tests to another thread? Very little so far has even been relevant to the OP.

The junk about athletics is definitely off topic. But the discussion of IQ is very relevant to the OP.

Re: Northern populations are more intelligent because living conditions are harsher ?

E. R. Olovetto — Tue, 11 May 2010 19:49:58 GMT

Could you guys take the junk about IQ tests to another thread? Very little so far has even been relevant to the OP.

This video might be of interest to those of us interested in the actual topic.

Re: Northern populations are more intelligent because living conditions are harsher ?

Southern — Tue, 11 May 2010 19:38:45 GMT

That's why they are different positions in NFL where I will be able to compete with Mr. Line Backer.

So now you admit that physical limitations cannot be overcome by rigorous training. That your goal of becoming an NFL linebacker is one that is out of reach no matter the training or dedication.

Like they are monks where they would be able to excel in some different aspects but still be able to compete agianst each other.

Why would this happen? Why would some beable to excel and others not? If the training is the same all performance should be the same. But its not is it. There is some other factor that you choose to ignore.

Re: Northern populations are more intelligent because living conditions are harsher ?

Curius Dentatus — Tue, 11 May 2010 19:33:21 GMT

That's why they are different positions in NFL where I will be able to compete with Mr. Line Backer. Like they are monks where they would be able to excel in some different aspects but still be able to compete agianst each other.

Re: Northern populations are more intelligent because living conditions are harsher ?

Southern — Tue, 11 May 2010 19:26:53 GMT

The agrument is that with ridiculous training and dedication anyone could achieve a goal, but timing has to do with everything ( Shaolin Monks start to train at age 3). Southern you could ridicule all you want but I did give you a real life example. All you gave back was your pompous huffs and scoffs.

The monks are not proof of anything. They are not all equally skilled for one. Yet they all dedicate their lives to training. This shows that there is some wild card. That wild card is natural ability. Second because a small group of people have trained to do some impressive acrobatics doesnt mean that anyone can. It proves nothing. Now address my points below.

Proof of my claims are all around you. You dont want to acknowledge it for some reason. There are real limits on people and what they can achieve. These limits are both metal and physical. These limits are both environmental and genetic. You want to deny genetic limitations and only see environmental. This is not reality.

To accel at a sport or physical activity you must have the proper physical make up. The examples I have used are Professional boxing, football, and basketball. To be lineback in the NFL you have to have certain physical characteristics. If you were not born with these characteristics you will not be a NFL linebacker no matter how much you want or work at it.

If you are 5' 5'' 125 lbs and run 6 flat fourty, no matter how much you want it. No matter if you dedicate every waking moment to training. You will not grow a foot, gain 100lbs and run a 4 4 fourty. YOU WILL NOT BE AN NFL LINEBACKER. Watch the movie "Rudy" it illistrates this point very well.

If you are 6'4 250lbs and are clumsy. No matter how much you want it. No matter if you dedicate every waking momnent to training. You will never become an olympic gymnast. Period you dont have the proper physical tools to do so.

People are not interchangeable cogs that can be molded into whatever function through environment or training. There is nothing wrong with accepting our limitations.

Re: Northern populations are more intelligent because living conditions are harsher ?

Curius Dentatus — Tue, 11 May 2010 18:48:56 GMT

The agrument is that with ridiculous training and dedication anyone could achieve a goal, but timing has to do with everything ( Shaolin Monks start to train at age 3). Southern you could ridicule all you want but I did give you a real life example. All you gave back was your pompous huffs and scoffs.

I'm not sure exactly what you're arguing about here (I haven't been really following the thread), but this statement is wrong from an exercise-science point of view. If you're not as genetically adept as "Jordan," that means you have to train less frequently and with less sets. This is because people with good genetics have quicker recovery times than normal people or people with bad genetics. Thus, the likes of "Jordan" can exercise more than genetically normal people.

From a "exercise-science point of view." I will refrain from answering your question as it is too broad, but I will make a couple of comments, the human body starts to adapt to any training or form of excercise given enough time. The body is an enigma of itself and always awes the human mind when we least expect it.

Re: Northern populations are more intelligent because living conditions are harsher ?

krazy kaju — Tue, 11 May 2010 18:13:44 GMT

I can not train as hard as Jordan if I do not have his body. If I had an inferior body I will have to dedicate double the amount of training. Eventually I will reach his capacity. The difference lies in dedication and time, depending on my body.

I'm not sure exactly what you're arguing about here (I haven't been really following the thread), but this statement is wrong from an exercise-science point of view. If you're not as genetically adept as "Jordan," that means you have to train less frequently and with less sets. This is because people with good genetics have quicker recovery times than normal people or people with bad genetics. Thus, the likes of "Jordan" can exercise more than genetically normal people.

I'm sure this doesn't detract from the premise of your argument though.

Re: Northern populations are more intelligent because living conditions are harsher ?

Southern — Tue, 11 May 2010 18:11:57 GMT

I can not train as hard as Jordan if I do not have his body. If I had an inferior body I will have to dedicate double the amount of training. Eventually I will reach his capacity. The difference lies in dedication and time, depending on my body. Want proof? Google Shaolin Monks.

This is the stuff of childrens books. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Engine_That_Could

Re: Northern populations are more intelligent because living conditions are harsher ?

Curius Dentatus — Tue, 11 May 2010 17:06:05 GMT

I can not train as hard as Jordan if I do not have his body. If I had an inferior body I will have to dedicate double the amount of training. Eventually I will reach his capacity. The difference lies in dedication and time, depending on my body. Want proof? Google Shaolin Monks.

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I will only agree that only a few human beings who will have such an inferior body or a disability that given two lifetimes will not match Jordan physical attributes or talent. But The Majority of those "few," who are dedicate, will probably have talents that will compensate for their weakness and still compete at his level.

Re: Northern populations are more intelligent because living conditions are harsher ?

Southern — Tue, 11 May 2010 13:49:58 GMT

Ok, I know a lot of black kids who are absolutely terrible at physical sports. How can they possibly exist? Are they just anomalies?

What does this have to do with anything that we have discussed? You are really off in left field.

Sure some will improve faster than others, I take that to mostly come from their activities and experience before they began training. Do some people gain muscle faster than others? Yes. Do some people learn a bit quicker than others, yes. But is any of it something that the proper training and mindset can't fix? no.

Some will also improve more than others. Your theory would mean that anyone who worked as hard as Micheal Jordan could dunk like Jordan. That anyone who trained as hard as Ali could have his quickness and hand speed. Or anyone who worked as hard as gale sayers could run like him. False, there are thousands of people putting in as much time and work as they did, but will never acheive what they did.

To be those guys you have to work hard and have talent. Anyway this is way off topic and there is no way I will change your "little engine that could" mentality.

Re: Northern populations are more intelligent because living conditions are harsher ?

Southern — Tue, 11 May 2010 13:41:55 GMT

But being skinny isn't a disease or genetic disorder,

Who said anything about diseases or genetic disorders? Lacking inate athletic ability is not a disease or disorder. It is simple biological variation. Im not sure where you are coming from.

a skinny person isn't stuck at that weight forever they CAN gain lots of muscle mass if they wanted to, it requires specific training and a complete change in diet, which is hard work

Wrong. Some people can gain lots of muscle mass. Some people can gain only a little. It depends on body type and frame. Once again I can tell that you have never weight trained or competed in athletics.

Re: Northern populations are more intelligent because living conditions are harsher ?

auctionguy10 — Tue, 11 May 2010 05:56:54 GMT

Quote Southern:"Its not nonsense. training can improve your quickness and reflexes, but some will improve more and faster than others. If you deny this then you are the one full of nonsense.

There is nothing mystical about this. I can tell that you have never competed in athletics."

Ok, I know a lot of black kids who are absolutely terrible at physical sports. How can they possibly exist? Are they just anomalies?

Sure some will improve faster than others, I take that to mostly come from their activities and experience before they began training. Do some people gain muscle faster than others? Yes. Do some people learn a bit quicker than others, yes. But is any of it something that the proper training and mindset can't fix? no.

Re: Northern populations are more intelligent because living conditions are harsher ?

auctionguy10 — Tue, 11 May 2010 05:53:25 GMT

Quote Southern:"Very interesting. I guess I just didnt work hard enought to grow another 4 inches, gain 60lbs, and run half second faster so that I could be an NFL linebacker. Do you have to work hard.... yes. Can hard work overcome physical difficiencies? No. If you are a 98lb weakling you will never be a noseguard for the NFL. There are physical requirements for every athletic pursuit. If you dont have the genes for them you will never achieve them."

Well duh if you're a 98 pound weakling you can't be a noseguard for the NFL. But being skinny isn't a disease or genetic disorder, a skinny person isn't stuck at that weight forever they CAN gain lots of muscle mass if they wanted to, it requires specific training and a complete change in diet, which is hard work. Hard work can't overcome height but that's about it.(and even then someone like Muggsy Bogues exists)

Re: Northern populations are more intelligent because living conditions are harsher ?

Southern — Tue, 11 May 2010 05:52:52 GMT

Sorry I think that's nonsense. You can definitely train hand quickness and reflexes. Hard work can definitely compensate, what's the point of boxing training at all if hard work couldn't compensate. That's the entire point. Even if this mystical talent was a factor I'd say it pales in comparison to the thousands of hours of practicing that is undertaken to get good at any athletic endeavor.

Its not nonsense. training can improve your quickness and reflexes, but some will improve more and faster than others. If you deny this then you are the one full of nonsense.

There is nothing mystical about this. I can tell that you have never competed in athletics.

Re: Northern populations are more intelligent because living conditions are harsher ?

Southern — Tue, 11 May 2010 05:48:51 GMT

You ever heard of http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Bounce/Matthew-Syed/e/9780061723759/ ? What do you think of it if you have? Here's an article you could read that sums up what he says in there http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/features/Natural-talent-or-hard-work.6279092.jp

Very interesting. I guess I just didnt work hard enought to grow another 4 inches, gain 60lbs, and run half second faster so that I could be an NFL linebacker. Do you have to work hard.... yes. Can hard work overcome physical difficiencies? No. If you are a 98lb weakling you will never be a noseguard for the NFL. There are physical requirements for every athletic pursuit. If you dont have the genes for them you will never achieve them.