Economics Questions

Re: Clarification Needed: Left-Libertarian Economics

William — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:15:14 GMT

Thanks "Izzy" I've read Carson's book and its more philosophy/ideology-libertarianism/rights and not so much economics

I will almost second that sentiment, except I simply do not consider ethics actual philosophy worth noting when trying to speaking in productive inter-subjective dialogue. We have to base any initial discussion about consequentialism and a look at basic civilization as a given for desirable dilagoue, and I'm not seeing that in an obvious manner from left libs.

I think it may also be important to get a de facto denunciation of any sort of ethical/ aesthetic universalism (in the Misean sense of the word)/ "socialistic end" from any left lib. If the can't do it, there is simply not much to discuss.

Re: Clarification Needed: Left-Libertarian Economics

Isaac "Izzy" Marmolejo — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 03:35:06 GMT

after lookng a little more into the site, i found this book http://www.mutualist.org/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/otkc11.pdf , looking at the table of contents, it looks to be more economical.... but it is a long book, i cant find a good article showing their view on econoimcs

Re: Clarification Needed: Left-Libertarian Economics

Angurse — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 03:13:36 GMT

Thanks "Izzy" I've read Carson's book and its more philosophy/ideology-libertarianism/rights and not so much economics. Most of the economic remarks are Austrian, but little can be found about how a mutualist economy will foster entrepreneurship and whatnot.

From your first link I got: What is Mutualist Economic Theory?

Which was the same old thing about monopolies and state privileges.

Re: Clarification Needed: Left-Libertarian Economics

resist272727 — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:20:02 GMT

It's not a matter of the study of economics, it's a matter of societal perception. As Mises said, "people would like to find in an economics book knowledge that perfectly fits into their preconceived image of what economics ought to be." The biggest criticism of capitalism I hear is that it promotes "greed" and that you have to be "cutthroat" to get by. And anarchism is usually dismissed as being a system of chaos. So anarcho-capitalists may choose some other word to describe their ideology that bring more positive connotations. That's mostly what I think the "left-libertarian" strand of market anarchism is.

Re: Clarification Needed: Left-Libertarian Economics

William — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 00:53:44 GMT

The term "anarcho-capitalism" is sort of a double-whammy when it comes to negative connotations. In the eyes of many, it's chaos coupled with greed. "Left-libertarian" is probably just a way of say "I'm for freedom, but I'm also a humanitarian (good guy.) Similar to white guilt in that it apologizes for other people's unwarranted biases. I think most libertarians are humanitarians, but some may feel a need to reassure others that they aren't just self-centered establishment-haters.

If that is the case, and I don't think it is; the very heart of the study of economics is social co-operation and the benefits it brings, and what can and can not be said about it.

Re: Clarification Needed: Left-Libertarian Economics

Isaac "Izzy" Marmolejo — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 00:15:53 GMT

i found this stuff...

http://www.mutualist.org/id20.html

and here is Carson's famous book

http://www.mutualist.org/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/MPE.pdf

I was thinking about reading it and critiquing it but thats a lot of reading to do for an ideology that i do not take too seriously.

Re: Clarification Needed: Left-Libertarian Economics

resist272727 — Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:54:44 GMT

Re: Clarification Needed: Left-Libertarian Economics

Angurse — Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:45:28 GMT

I would wonder how it could be about anything else other than economics. What the hell could legal theory state? And let's face it trying to philosophize ones way around issues comes off as rather silly most of the time, or perhaps just flat out question ducking or deconstruction.

Right, chatting about morality and ethics may be fun, but it doesn't replace science.

Re: Clarification Needed: Left-Libertarian Economics

William — Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:31:52 GMT

I would wonder how it could be about anything else other than economics. What the hell could legal theory state? And let's face it trying to philosophize ones way around issues comes off as rather silly most of the time, or perhaps just flat out question ducking or deconstruction.

Re: Clarification Needed: Left-Libertarian Economics

Angurse — Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:22:48 GMT

I'm pretty sure Scott F said he was not a mutualist.

Well, there is another who did claim to be a mutualist, however this isn't necessarily for them. Anyone who can direct me towards economic work on either would be appreciated. I really haven't found anything.

Re: Clarification Needed: Left-Libertarian Economics

filc — Wed, 19 Jan 2011 21:39:41 GMT

resist272727:
I'm pretty sure Scott F said he was not a mutualist.

The OP also said left-libs, which ScottF stated he was.

Re: Clarification Needed: Left-Libertarian Economics

resist272727 — Wed, 19 Jan 2011 21:02:17 GMT

I'm pretty sure Scott F said he was not a mutualist.

Re: Clarification Needed: Left-Libertarian Economics

Isaac "Izzy" Marmolejo — Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:56:41 GMT

I want to know about this too...

Clarification Needed: Left-Libertarian Economics

Angurse — Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:42:08 GMT

Since its been brought up multiple times lately, could someone kindly explain how a left-libertarian and/or mutualist economy would have more entrepreneurship? I'd prefer articles by economists, but I'd take anything at this point.