Political Theory

Re: Dbzer0: "The Free-Market Concept is Useless"

David Z — Tue, 26 May 2009 04:23:41 GMT

liberty student:

What's funny is, when someone confronts him with trolling here, he complains on Reddit. When he does it on his blog, he's somehow justified.

Another hypocrite.

But it's his property!

Errr, oh yeah. communist and all. d'oh. That's a tough pill to swallow.

Re: Dbzer0: "The Free-Market Concept is Useless"

nibbler491 — Sat, 23 May 2009 05:14:03 GMT

"Market Anarchists would have us believe that a free markets within a very particular society would work for the best result and thus, we as humans should aim for this particular society structure. "

This is entirely false.

While Market Anarchists do believe that free markets within a very particular society would work for the best result, that is not why they believe we as humans should aim for this particular society structure. They believe it because it's the only morally consistent society.

Libertarianism is the belief that the means justify the ends. What the ends are is entirely irrelevant.

Re: Dbzer0: "The Free-Market Concept is Useless"

liberty student — Fri, 22 May 2009 23:29:41 GMT

What's funny is, when someone confronts him with trolling here, he complains on Reddit. When he does it on his blog, he's somehow justified.

Another hypocrite.

Re: Dbzer0: "The Free-Market Concept is Useless"

Nitroadict — Fri, 22 May 2009 20:26:36 GMT

liberty student:

Nitroadict:
I am disappointed he didn't stick around long enough to actually define the terms & definitions of his arguments, which was entirely the point of this thread.

He only stopped by to successfully drop two more links. There are lots of bloggers who do this. Guys like you and I are too busy with here and other projects to work on our blogs like that, lol

Nitroadict:
Even more annoying is that digging through his blog, I have yet to come across a single page where he explicitly defines his arguments, & tells the world of what "assumptions" the free-market is based upon

He's a troll

http://dbzer0.com/blog/it-seems-that-i-have-made-some-waves

Oh yeah, notice he threatens his first commenter with a ban for trolling (aka pointing out his hypocrisy).

Unbelievable:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/8ma3n/ancaps_organising_an_invasion/

I knew there was a reason for my seemingly un-yielding cynicism. This is just ridiculous.

Re: Dbzer0: "The Free-Market Concept is Useless"

liberty student — Fri, 22 May 2009 18:51:56 GMT

Nitroadict:
I am disappointed he didn't stick around long enough to actually define the terms & definitions of his arguments, which was entirely the point of this thread.

He only stopped by to successfully drop two more links. There are lots of bloggers who do this. Guys like you and I are too busy with here and other projects to work on our blogs like that, lol

Nitroadict:
Even more annoying is that digging through his blog, I have yet to come across a single page where he explicitly defines his arguments, & tells the world of what "assumptions" the free-market is based upon

He's a troll

http://dbzer0.com/blog/it-seems-that-i-have-made-some-waves

Oh yeah, notice he threatens his first commenter with a ban for trolling (aka pointing out his hypocrisy).

Re: Dbzer0: "The Free-Market Concept is Useless"

hayekianxyz — Fri, 22 May 2009 18:43:43 GMT

I don't really understand how a definition can be based on an assumption, as he seems to think the free market is.

Re: Dbzer0: "The Free-Market Concept is Useless"

Nitroadict — Fri, 22 May 2009 18:40:18 GMT

GilesStratton:

Nitroadict:
I don't think anyone can say nobody tried, at least.

That depends on what you think he was "trying". Honest discussion? Not a chance.

Yea, I didn't think so either.

I am disappointed he didn't stick around long enough to actually define the terms & definitions of his arguments, which was entirely the point of this thread.

Even more annoying is that digging through his blog, I have yet to come across a single page where he explicitly defines his arguments, & tells the world of what "assumptions" the free-market is based upon

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Re: Dbzer0: "The Free-Market Concept is Useless"

hayekianxyz — Fri, 22 May 2009 18:31:35 GMT

Nitroadict:
I don't think anyone can say nobody tried, at least.

That depends on what you think he was "trying". Honest discussion? Not a chance.

Re: Dbzer0: "The Free-Market Concept is Useless"

Nitroadict — Fri, 22 May 2009 18:27:15 GMT

Tayssir:

This topic is about how your blog is "plaguing" the anarchism subreddit, and now you're threatened with a ban "to spare of you of the temptation of wasting time on this board with bantering."

If their actual purpose is to seek truth, then they should be overjoyed that the author is "more than glad to explain and discuss" his claims. However, you're immediately rewarded with more namecalling, like "amateur" and "aberration."

I get the impression that your blog's purpose is to be "some hanging fruit" they can beat on like a piñata, to train their ideological muscles.

(Ironically, the anarchism subreddit has always described itself as "Unremorsefully Anti-Capitalist and Anti-State". Capitalism is considered more of a "plague" on that subreddit. Yet, to my knowledge, anarcho-capitalists aren't banned, no matter how they flood their posts with mises.org links. And if some moderator does ban them, please tell me; my understanding is that'd be scandalous.)

Thank you for coming over here & posting.

It's called sarcasm, & when I said "plaguing" I meant that very little people had seriously challenged DB's post's, & most of the comments on his blog were more or less in agreement with the content, usually.

By hanging fruit I also meant in an intellectual sense: content that, I saw, as not being objected enough in a more public sphere (reddit, for instance), & my intent was not to bring about some silly bickering war between the author's & other's here, but to open dialouge.

I am greateful that DB & other's showed interest enough to register here, though. I don't think anyone can say nobody tried, at least.

Re: Dbzer0: "The Free-Market Concept is Useless"

liberty student — Fri, 22 May 2009 17:38:53 GMT

Db0:
Web2.0 is your term?! Umm...yeah...ok.

Web 2.0 commons (as a pejorative)

Db0:
But I find it amusing that the only legitimate links for you are those coming from commercial sites. It's telling really.

I do SEO for a living. I know the difference between a quality backlink and crap. It's the difference between getting paid or not. People pay for things they value, they causally toss around things that have no cost (backlinks from parasite blogs).

Db0:
As for the challenges and refutations in this thread, this is what I said in my original post. There aren't any.

There are. Go to the first 5 posts.

Db0:
And any such are much better posted in my blog in the first place.

Your blog is rubbish. We discuss here. If you want to defend yourself, post here. If not, begone. No one cares about your blog, and they barely care about your half-baked posts.

Re: Dbzer0: "The Free-Market Concept is Useless"

Jon Irenicus — Fri, 22 May 2009 15:51:06 GMT

Hah, is this how you deal with dissenting opinions little lover of freedom?

I am giving you the option of offering a substantial response, or being removed. The forum is private property and as an admin I am responsible for keeping it under control. This is your last warning: fail to offer any substantive response, and you're gone. There's no need for pointless banter on here.

If their actual purpose is to seek truth, then they should be overjoyed that the author is "more than glad to explain and discuss" his claims.

Except he has done neither here, and therefore will be excised until he changes his tone. The same goes for you. So don't even pretend that this is about suppressing the "truth", the latter a notion it seems db0 cannot countenance...

Re: Dbzer0: "The Free-Market Concept is Useless"

Knight_of_BAAWA — Fri, 22 May 2009 14:13:01 GMT

Db0:
See? This is what I'm talking about. A lot of dismissal and name-calling, not a lot of argumentation.

Might have something to do with your utter lack of arguments in the first place. After all--we cannot argue against you if you do not provide an argument for us to counter. Your blather and blatant assertions have no substance behind them.

Re: Dbzer0: "The Free-Market Concept is Useless"

Tayssir — Fri, 22 May 2009 13:44:12 GMT

This topic is about how your blog is "plaguing" the anarchism subreddit, and now you're threatened with a ban "to spare of you of the temptation of wasting time on this board with bantering."

If their actual purpose is to seek truth, then they should be overjoyed that the author is "more than glad to explain and discuss" his claims. However, you're immediately rewarded with more namecalling, like "amateur" and "aberration."

I get the impression that your blog's purpose is to be "some hanging fruit" they can beat on like a piñata, to train their ideological muscles.

(Ironically, the anarchism subreddit has always described itself as "Unremorsefully Anti-Capitalist and Anti-State". Capitalism is considered more of a "plague" on that subreddit. Yet, to my knowledge, anarcho-capitalists aren't banned, no matter how they flood their posts with mises.org links. And if some moderator does ban them, please tell me; my understanding is that'd be scandalous.)

Re: Dbzer0: "The Free-Market Concept is Useless"

Divided by Zer0 — Fri, 22 May 2009 13:23:08 GMT

GilesStratton:
Then fuck off.

@Nitroaddict: I hope you now understand why there's no serious dialogue is possible. That would require a willingness to venture outside one's bubble (like you do incidentally) and an open mind that is able to see the other perspective.

To all the rest around here, who couldn't miss the opportunity to exrcise your peer-backed hostility, well, it's been fun and all, but I don't see a reason to stay around. If you want to discuss and even point out the errors of my analysis, you know where to find me. And if you think my own site is too biased, by all mean come over to neutral ground.

Re: Dbzer0: "The Free-Market Concept is Useless"

hayekianxyz — Fri, 22 May 2009 13:09:25 GMT

Db0:
it's that I don't see a reason why I should come to your little hidden private corner to discuss

Then fuck off.