Political Theory

Re: Noam Chomsky - Libertarian Socialism: Contradicting terms?

ViennaSausage — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:25:48 GMT

David Boaz said it best, "The difference between libertarianism and socialism is that libertarians will tolerate the existence of a socialist community, but socialists can't tolerate a libertarian community."

The key to the libertarian form of socialism is that it is voluntary. Once socialism becomes compulsory, it is no longer libertarian.

Re: Noam Chomsky - Libertarian Socialism: Contradicting terms?

Bostwick — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:19:40 GMT

Inquisitor:
It isn't, but that wasn't the reason I posted the video really. It just struck me as odd that this guy has no concept of libertarianism, other than perhaps its "vulgar" variants, yet here he is giving this long-winded answer on it. He is either ignorant or dishonest. Maybe both.

He's not talking about vulgar libertarians. He doesn't make the distinction. He is opposed to any company not being owned by the laborers. Thats what he is calling tyranny, ownership of the means of production.

Government tyranny is better than "private" tyranny? Ha, and this guy claims to be anti-war?

The man wants to coercive any person who would enter a voluntary relationship not in line with his personal concept of individual dignity. (A concept that seems completely opposed to mutual dependence)

Re: Noam Chomsky - Libertarian Socialism: Contradicting terms?

DrunknMunky — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:07:56 GMT

Chomsky is full of ***. He is one of those who believe Jefferson can be considered anti-capitalist because he went on the side of the agrarian farmers over central banking institutions which were endorsed by aristocratic capitalists such as Hamilton. Remember people like Chomsky automatically assume a poor vs wealthy clash automatically means that the wealthy are the capitalists (Hamiltonians) and the poor (agrarian farmers) are not.

Also I can't comment on the meaning of Libertarianism outside of the U.S. because I am fairly ignorant on what it means outside of here. Does anyone know what the word means outside the U.S. because he is right that the U.S. adopts different meanings for ideological nametags.

Re: Noam Chomsky - Libertarian Socialism: Contradicting terms?

Inquisitor — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:04:43 GMT

It isn't, but that wasn't the reason I posted the video really. It just struck me as odd that this guy has no concept of libertarianism, other than perhaps its "vulgar" variants, yet here he is giving this long-winded answer on it. He is either ignorant or dishonest. Maybe both.

Re: Noam Chomsky - Libertarian Socialism: Contradicting terms?

darcgun — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:49:52 GMT

Well in fairness, left-anarchists were the first group to use the word "libertarian" in a political context. So I don't agree that the phrase "libertarian socialism" is oxymoronic.

Re: Noam Chomsky - Libertarian Socialism: Contradicting terms?

Brainpolice — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:13:50 GMT

Libertarianism socialism is not necessarily a contradiction in terms, since anyone could theoretically voluntarily opt for socialist forms of organization in a free society. Noam Chomsky, however, clearly is confused and does not constitute a libertarian of any sort in practise. He has claimed to be an anarcho-syndicalist, yet even that is questionable since he has openly defended a whole plethora of state interventions in the economy and "public goods". He seems like a Marxist to me in that his strategy is to use the state to crush "the capitalists" and then he expects it to wither away magically afterwards.

Re: Noam Chomsky - Libertarian Socialism: Contradicting terms?

Inquisitor — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:24:33 GMT

On Chomsky in general, this is a good site.

Re: Noam Chomsky - Libertarian Socialism: Contradicting terms?

Forsmant — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:51:16 GMT

There is a book that claims Jefferson did not believe that the dead should rule the living. Their debts would die with them along with their property rights. The book also claims that Jefferson believed in a generational revolution. Each generation should have new rules.

http://www.amazon.com/Radical-Politics-Thomas-Jefferson/dp/0700602933/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202662225&sr=1-1

Re: Noam Chomsky - Libertarian Socialism: Contradicting terms?

Inquisitor — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:40:26 GMT

There are arguments in their works that if taken out of context could be interpreted as such. However, if one attempts to understand them properly such misunderstandings should be avoided. Chomsky, though, is no real intellectual.

Re: Noam Chomsky - Libertarian Socialism: Contradicting terms?

britainland — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:48:31 GMT

Am I hearing this right, or did he say that Thomas Jefferson and Adam Smith were anti-capitalist?

Noam Chomsky - Libertarian Socialism: Contradicting terms?

Inquisitor — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:25:15 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugq86q9KyPE&feature=related

Unfortunately, as always, he makes no attempt at honest argument, just typical whiny propaganda.